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FFP - Man City and PSG Punishment
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:46 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:46 am
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Sky sources understand the fine will be payable over three years and the team will have to freeze their Champions League spending.
Obviously this is being challenged but still, nice to see an actual punishment for once.
The main thing being that they can only have 13 non locally trained players.
UPDATE:
60 million euros - 40m suspended, 21 player cap
PSG -> 60M Euros, 21 player cap for the CL.
Sky sources understand the fine will be payable over three years and the team will have to freeze their Champions League spending.
Obviously this is being challenged but still, nice to see an actual punishment for once.
The main thing being that they can only have 13 non locally trained players.
UPDATE:
60 million euros - 40m suspended, 21 player cap
PSG -> 60M Euros, 21 player cap for the CL.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:09 am to engvol
I was waiting for this to come down to post it 
I guess City could not come to an agreement with FFP
We will see how their youth system which they have dumped tons of money into pays off. They have actually been decent. If City didn't pour loads of money into their academy this would have been even worse.
I guess City could not come to an agreement with FFP
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The main thing being that they can only have 13 non locally trained players.
We will see how their youth system which they have dumped tons of money into pays off. They have actually been decent. If City didn't pour loads of money into their academy this would have been even worse.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:45 am to engvol
Oh European socialism at its worst... 
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:49 am to engvol
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nice to see an actual punishment for once.
FFP is a rich get richer scam
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
Spend money (debt free) on your club and its infrastructure: €60M fine.
Racially abuse players: €10K fine (or maybe just a warning).
UEFA!!!
Racially abuse players: €10K fine (or maybe just a warning).
UEFA!!!
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:02 am to BlueMoon
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Spend money (debt free)
yeah I could understand rules against adding a crazy amount of debt to a club, but then again this was never about controlling that, it was about preventing competition for the european blue bloods.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 8:05 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
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FFP is a rich get richer scam
no its not
stop trying to play victim. Newcastle could thrive under FFP and wouldn't need oil money dumped into it. Decent youth set up and big time stadium help out.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 8:08 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:07 am to BlueMoon
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Spend money (debt free) on your club and its infrastructure: €60M fine.
no no the 50 million pounds was a write off you guys still took huge losses.
Its time for your academy to put up or shut up, other than the youth system investments which have been amazing along with facilities.
Man City has been trying to loop hole this entire thing. Adding seats that won't be used to add to "potential" revenue and shady sponsorship deals.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
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you guys still took huge losses.
but they're still "debt free"
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Its time for your academy to put up or shut up,
show me a major team competing in the CL who relies primarily on their academy other than Barca (who is an extreme historical outlier, even for Barca)
and Man City just started investing in their academy. they'll possibly see results...in 5-10 years, and that's a crap shoot. don't place irrational expectations upon them and act like it's some normal standard
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Man City has been trying to loop hole this entire thing.
of course they have. these rules basically make it impossible for a team like Man City to compete with the major teams
that's the point of FFP. if you were an established mega club at the inception of FFP, you are protected. any other club who wants to spend money to close the gap will be punished, preventing htem from making it to that level
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
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no its not
Says the ManU fan
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Newcastle could thrive under FFP and wouldn't need oil money dumped into it. Decent youth set up and big time stadium help out.
Unlike you, my opinion on FFP is completely seperate from my fan affiliation.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Its time for your academy to put up or shut up
Our Academy is suplying a ton of 1st team players. . .
. . . (for Burnley, Birmingham, Leicster, QPR, Hibs, etc.)
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Says the ManU fan
Sorry but clubs like Man United and Liverpool were not built on rampant uncontrolled spending.
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Unlike you, my opinion on FFP is completely seperate from my fan affiliation.
Neither does mine. B/c it doesn't affect my club b/c my club does not spend out of control and when it does spend it covers it losses.
This is to keep teams from going under like a Leeds United but you have not been a fan long enough to actually have seen things like this happen.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:24 am to BlueMoon
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Our Academy is suplying a ton of 1st team players. . .
. . . (for Burnley, Birmingham, Leicster, QPR, Hibs, etc.)
Welcome to the club
The model works. If they can't crack your first team, loan them out or sell them.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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but they're still "debt free"
Due to shirt and stadium deals with their owner, thats not how it works
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show me a major team competing in the CL who relies primarily on their academy other than Barca (who is an extreme historical outlier, even for Barca)
Its how lots of clubs are built
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and Man City just started investing in their academy. they'll possibly see results...in 5-10 years, and that's a crap shoot. don't place irrational expectations upon them and act like it's some normal standard
shite should be less than that, their U-21 made it to the EPL semi's. With the other big boys.
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of course they have. these rules basically make it impossible for a team like Man City to compete with the major teams
Chelsea was not breaking FFP rules
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that's the point of FFP. if you were an established mega club at the inception of FFP, you are protected. any other club who wants to spend money to close the gap will be punished, preventing htem from making it to that level
City has been at this since 2008 but only the last two years count against them. Clearly they don't care and a 50 million fine is a drop in the bucket to them.
FFP forces teams to spend responsibly and build infrastructure if they want to become a mega club.
There have been so many cases of clubs who are ruined do to out of control spending.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:36 am to StraightCashHomey21
Well this won't drive up prices for English players or anything.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:37 am to Srbtiger06
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Well this won't drive up prices for English players or anything.
City can pay their fine by selling Micah Richards.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:38 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Sorry but clubs like Man United and Liverpool were not built on rampant uncontrolled spending.
Those clubs became powers in a very very different world and today they have revenue streams that dwarf most other clubs. After a decade of spending their way into that group, Chelsea is just now starting to enjoy the same thing. A club today would not be allowed to join the club though because of these new rules.
You already knew all of this though, you're just being intellectually dishonest.
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Neither does mine
bullshite. FFP means less completion for ManU, pure and simple.
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This is to keep teams from going under like a Leeds United
Leeds' issue was debt driven, which nobody has a problem with making rules to prevent. Continuing to hide behind this flawed example shows just how full of shite you are.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:44 am to StraightCashHomey21
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This is to keep teams from going under like a Leeds United
I just can't understand this line of thinking. Why shouldn't a club be able to spend however it wants? Is someone else picking up the tab for Leeds failing?
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Sorry but clubs like Man United and Liverpool were not built on rampant uncontrolled spending.
What difference does it make? Why should busybodies get to decide the "right" way to build a club?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Those clubs became powers in a very very different world and today they have revenue streams that dwarf most other clubs. After a decade of spending their way into that group, Chelsea is just now starting to enjoy the same thing. A club today would not be allowed to join the club though because of these new rules.
You already knew all of this though, you're just being intellectually dishonest.
Um City has been doing it since 2008 and got away with it no problem except the last two years. Them and PSG had plenty of time to catch up.
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bullshite. FFP means less completion for ManU, pure and simple.
We all play by the same rules. Sponsorship deals, players bought and sold, tickets and euro competitions.
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Leeds' issue was debt driven, which nobody has a problem with making rules to prevent. Continuing to hide behind this flawed example shows just how full of shite you are.
They went in debt b/c of crazy spending spree
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:50 am to uway
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What difference does it make? Why should busybodies get to decide the "right" way to build a club?
B/c how alot of these clubs tie into local european communities, which many on this board don't understand. This isn't like the american franchise model.
When these teams go under of hell even get relegated it has a negative impact on the city and its economy.
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