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re: FFP - Man City and PSG Punishment
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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how many regular starters did Man U start last year from their academy? not many. carrick mainly
de gea, evra, ferdinand, vidic, nani, valencia, rooney, kagawa, RvP, young, anderson, etc were not. i don't know if phil jones and others were from the Man U academy
This year not many
but the class of 92 is a perfect example. That and United for the most part buys young players before their value sky rockets. City is usually over paying for their players.
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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City is not in danger of this, and City is not in debt. that argument doesn't fly with City
City as a club actually might be in debt but its owners keep dumping their own money into the club to make up loses b/c they don't generate enough revenue.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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show me a major team competing in the CL who relies primarily on their academy other than Barca (who is an extreme historical outlier, even for Barca
only 4 of their 21 UCL players have to be from the club's academy.
that's not "primarily"
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
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But they could if they wanted to and now UEFA is trying to force them to. I wonder what type of club will buy said players? Oh yeah, teams like ManU. Old money wins again.
Your argument holds no water.
I don't care if city spend out of control but if they do be prepared to pay a fine. Its simple, if United did it they would have to pay the fine too.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
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City as a club actually might be in debt but its owners keep dumping their own money into the club to make up loses b/c they don't generate enough revenue.
Which should be their right as they build their brand.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:43 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Which should be their right as they build their brand.
Then be prepared to pay the fine
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:44 am to StraightCashHomey21
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but the class of 92 is a perfect example
that was 22 years ago
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That and United for the most part buys young players before their value sky rockets
that is irrelevant to your argument (and likely won't happen in the post-fergie era)
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City is usually over paying for their players.
when the shieks first took over, i agree. city has cooled way down, though, once they got a solid squad built
yes, they were crazy insane when the shieks first took over. they way overpaid (esp wages) and had a bunch of flops
they haven't had that level lately though. they are buying complimentary guys like negredo, fernadinho, etc
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:44 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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only 4 of their 21 UCL players have to be from the club's academy.
that's not "primarily"
i'm talking about SCH's argument, not FFP
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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City is not in danger of this, and City is not in debt. that argument doesn't fly with City
What happens if the Sheikh Mansour sells and pulls out his investment? No new owner would be willing to match the amount of personal investment that Mansour has put into the club to fund his little hobby. You would see the definition of debt and tailspin then.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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that is irrelevant to your argument (and likely won't happen in the post-fergie era)
Our youth set up is still strong as ever and could easy happen. In the next 5 years probably not
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when the shieks first took over, i agree. city has cooled way down, though, once they got a solid squad built
yes, they were crazy insane when the shieks first took over. they way overpaid (esp wages) and had a bunch of flops
they haven't had that level lately though. they are buying complimentary guys like negredo, fernadinho, etc
They are still taking losses though. Not bringing in enough money period and still buy expensive players every years and getting no where near market value when selling guys.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:53 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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What happens if the Sheikh Mansour sells and pulls out his investment? No new owner would be willing to match the amount of personal investment that Mansour has put into the club to fund his little hobby. You would see the definition of debt and tailspin then.
The club is fricked. Hell they were even gifted a stadium by the city. Imagine if he was trying to build a new one on top of all this.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:07 am to StraightCashHomey21
FFP - forcing clubs to invest in youth set-up and club infrastructure. the horror.
well, FFP certainly isn't perfect, this is what some 200 or so clubs voted to implement. and it's implementation has taken for fricking ever. the CL squad limit hurts, but the fine is whatever. pretty much a luxury tax.
while mansour in particular seems to be committed to City, generally speaking, there's always a danger that the owner pulls out and leaves the club in terrible position. these owners are buying and paying players out of the kindness of their hearts. it's a hobby and they want to win. if they get bored of it, do you think they will just eat all the losses and give the club a nice parachute payment to ease its descent back to regular finances?
also, lol at whoever it was that said something about European socialism considering American sports are waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy more socialistic than European soccer.
well, FFP certainly isn't perfect, this is what some 200 or so clubs voted to implement. and it's implementation has taken for fricking ever. the CL squad limit hurts, but the fine is whatever. pretty much a luxury tax.
while mansour in particular seems to be committed to City, generally speaking, there's always a danger that the owner pulls out and leaves the club in terrible position. these owners are buying and paying players out of the kindness of their hearts. it's a hobby and they want to win. if they get bored of it, do you think they will just eat all the losses and give the club a nice parachute payment to ease its descent back to regular finances?
also, lol at whoever it was that said something about European socialism considering American sports are waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy more socialistic than European soccer.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:08 am to StraightCashHomey21
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City as a club actually might be in debt but its owners keep dumping their own money into the club to make up loses b/c they don't generate enough revenue.
So they aren't really in debt.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:10 am to Friend of OBUDan
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FFP - forcing clubs to invest in youth set-up and club infrastructure. the horror.
I know if anything it gives teams with great academies like West Ham and Crewe Alexandra even more of a chance if they keep their players.
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while mansour in particular seems to be committed to City, generally speaking, there's always a danger that the owner pulls out and leaves the club in terrible position. these owners are buying and paying players out of the kindness of their hearts. it's a hobby and they want to win. if they get bored of it, do you think they will just eat all the losses and give the club a nice parachute payment to ease it's descent back to regular finances?
this
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:11 am to Srbtiger06
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So they aren't really in debt.
The owner no
the club on its actual books could absolutely be in debt year in and year out.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
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the club on its actual books could absolutely be in debt year in and year out.
But the owner is pumping money in...so they aren't in debt.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:56 am to Srbtiger06
Exactly
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:07 am to Friend of OBUDan
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the CL squad limit hurts, but the fine is whatever. pretty much a luxury tax.
Yeah, PSG got hit pretty hard, though.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:17 am to Friend of OBUDan
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also, lol at whoever it was that said something about European socialism considering American sports are waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy more socialistic than European soccer.
This was my first thought before it got buried by a bunch of DS drivel.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:31 am to StraightCashHomey21
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That and United for the most part buys young players before their value sky rockets.
RVP, Mata, Fellani? Great young players with unskyrocketed values.
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