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The worst (Saints) draft ever?
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:01 pm
Watching the 30-for-30 the other night about the '83 QB class got me curious. After doing a little homework(using NFL draft tracker), is this the biggest bust for the Saints?
Our picks that year:
2nd-- Steve Korte
3rd-- John Tice
3rd-- Cliff Austin
4th-- Gary Lewis
8th-- David Greenwood
***The hindsight is 20-20 picks:
Karl Mecklenburg was taken in the 12th by Denver
Jesse Sapolu was taken in the 11th by San Fran
Tim Krumrie was taken in the 10th by Cincy
Mark Clayton was taken in the 8th by Miami
Richard Dent was taken in the 8th by Chicago
Charles Mann was taken in the 3rd by Washington
Obviously other teams missed on these guys too, but the Saints made it a habit for a loooong time. But, was this their worst draft?
Our picks that year:
2nd-- Steve Korte
3rd-- John Tice
3rd-- Cliff Austin
4th-- Gary Lewis
8th-- David Greenwood
***The hindsight is 20-20 picks:
Karl Mecklenburg was taken in the 12th by Denver
Jesse Sapolu was taken in the 11th by San Fran
Tim Krumrie was taken in the 10th by Cincy
Mark Clayton was taken in the 8th by Miami
Richard Dent was taken in the 8th by Chicago
Charles Mann was taken in the 3rd by Washington
Obviously other teams missed on these guys too, but the Saints made it a habit for a loooong time. But, was this their worst draft?
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:02 pm to TrapperJohn
Two words:
Ricky Williams
Ricky Williams
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:04 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
Two words: Ricky Williams
You're dumb
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:06 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
Oral Roberts Fan
Insert "from Julia" between the O/R
O-from Julia-ral???
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:08 pm to TrapperJohn
quote:
But, was this their worst draft?
95-97 are pretty ugly. '03 is bad but Stinchcomb at least gives you something.
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:22 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Soccerfüt wrote:
Two words: Ricky Williams
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Chad504boy wrote:
You're dumb
Trading away all of one's draft choices for the year for one player is done how many times?
1999 is the answer to this question. If the Saints would have drafted a Drew Brees with the pick then I might reconsider. Ditka was lazy. The lack of bodies from the missing picks hurt the organization for a while.
You're dumb to respond this^ way. If you disagree, back it up with facts.
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:23 pm to soccerfüt
It wasn't just the whole draft that year. It was picks the following year too. Ditka was such a dumbass.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:23 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
If you disagree, back it up with facts.
Look at all of Ditka's draft picks with the Saints. If he had 20 more picks in 99 he would've blown them. Ricky, despite the cost, is by far his best pick.
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:26 pm to saintsfan22
Even if Williams was his best pick (I'm not necessarily agreeing, just allowing); NOT having any more choices in the '99 draft as the premium to get Williams was too exorbitant a price to pay. There's a reason NFL teams don't do this.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:35 pm to saintsfan22
quote:
95-97 are pretty ugly
Looking at it and the whole draft class of '95 was pretty weak. I don't really see a lot of names jumping out at me in that class.
The '96 draft looks like they blew it.
**Ray Lewis
Brian Dawkins
Teddy Bruschi
Joe Horn
Zack Thomas
Marco Rivera
THAT could have been our draft. All were available after our "JeRod Cherry" like picks.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:43 pm to soccerfüt
I think we own the worst draft all-time because of this. It's one of those things that make you shudder when you're unfortunate enough to think about it.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:48 pm to TrapperJohn
quote:
The worst (Saints) draft ever?
Pre Payton there are many choices.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:55 pm to Lakeboy7
remember the draft when the Saints gave up two picks to get Johnathon Sullivan. Those picks could have been Quaint Bolden and Jason Whitten..
Posted on 4/26/14 at 4:44 pm to lacajun069
Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
1969 1 17 John Shinners G 1977 0 0 2 33 97
1969 2 45 Richard Neal DE 1978 0 0 6 29 120 Saginaw Valley St.
1969 4 85 Dennis Hale DB 0 0 0 Minnesota
1969 4 102 Bob Hudspeth T 0 0 0 Southern Illinois
1969 5 111 Tony Kyasky DB 0 0 0 Syracuse
1969 5 117 Keith Christensen T 0 0 0 Kansas
1969 6 138 Bob Miller TE 0 0 0 USC
1969 8 189 Jim Lawrence FL 0 0 0 USC
1969 9 215 Joe Owens DE 1976 0 0 4 26 87 1 Alcorn St.
1969 10 241 McKinley Reynolds RB 0 0 0 Hawaii
1969 11 267 Tommy Morel FL 0 0 0 LSU
1969 12 293 Tom Broadhead RB 0 0 0 California-Santa Barbara
1969 13 319 Joe Robilliard DB 0 0 0 Linfield
1969 14 345 Gary Loyd K 0 0 0 California Lutheran
1969 15 371 Bill Waller FL 0 0 0
1969 16 397 Ed Hargett QB 1973 0 0 0 12 49 205 437 2727 11 10 18 46 1 Texas A&M
1969 17 423 Chico Kurzawski DB 0 0 0 Northwestern
1969 1 17 John Shinners G 1977 0 0 2 33 97
1969 2 45 Richard Neal DE 1978 0 0 6 29 120 Saginaw Valley St.
1969 4 85 Dennis Hale DB 0 0 0 Minnesota
1969 4 102 Bob Hudspeth T 0 0 0 Southern Illinois
1969 5 111 Tony Kyasky DB 0 0 0 Syracuse
1969 5 117 Keith Christensen T 0 0 0 Kansas
1969 6 138 Bob Miller TE 0 0 0 USC
1969 8 189 Jim Lawrence FL 0 0 0 USC
1969 9 215 Joe Owens DE 1976 0 0 4 26 87 1 Alcorn St.
1969 10 241 McKinley Reynolds RB 0 0 0 Hawaii
1969 11 267 Tommy Morel FL 0 0 0 LSU
1969 12 293 Tom Broadhead RB 0 0 0 California-Santa Barbara
1969 13 319 Joe Robilliard DB 0 0 0 Linfield
1969 14 345 Gary Loyd K 0 0 0 California Lutheran
1969 15 371 Bill Waller FL 0 0 0
1969 16 397 Ed Hargett QB 1973 0 0 0 12 49 205 437 2727 11 10 18 46 1 Texas A&M
1969 17 423 Chico Kurzawski DB 0 0 0 Northwestern
Posted on 4/26/14 at 4:45 pm to lsutigers1992
Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
1968 1 7 Kevin Hardy DT 1972 0 0 1 11 45 Notre Dame
1968 3 59 Dave Szymakowski WR 1968 0 0 0 0 3 West Texas A&M
1968 4 85 Willie Crittendon DT 0 0 0 Tulsa
1968 4 103 Dan Sartin DT 1969 0 0 0 3 13 Mississippi
1968 5 115 Ronnie Lee South QB 1968 0 0 0 0 4 14 38 129 1 3 4 5 0 Arkansas
1968 7 169 Ray Phillips G 0 0 0 Michigan
1968 7 175 Gene Howard DB 1972 0 0 4 26 63 14 Langston
1968 8 195 Richard Swatland G 1968 0 0 0 2 4 Notre Dame
1968 9 223 Joe Blake T 0 0 0 Tulsa
1968 10 254 Doug Robinson DB 0 0 0 Iowa St.
1968 11 276 Bennie Blocker RB 0 0 0 South Carolina St.
1968 12 303 John Beck DB 0 0 0 San Diego St.
1968 13 331 K.O. Trepanier DE 0 0 0 Montana St.
1968 14 359 Herb Covington RB 0 0 0 Memphis
1968 15 384 Wilmer Cooks RB 0 0 0 Colorado
1968 16 411 Elie Ghattas G 0 0 0 Ball St.
1968 17 439 James Ferguson C 1969 0 0 0 10 10 USC
1968 1 7 Kevin Hardy DT 1972 0 0 1 11 45 Notre Dame
1968 3 59 Dave Szymakowski WR 1968 0 0 0 0 3 West Texas A&M
1968 4 85 Willie Crittendon DT 0 0 0 Tulsa
1968 4 103 Dan Sartin DT 1969 0 0 0 3 13 Mississippi
1968 5 115 Ronnie Lee South QB 1968 0 0 0 0 4 14 38 129 1 3 4 5 0 Arkansas
1968 7 169 Ray Phillips G 0 0 0 Michigan
1968 7 175 Gene Howard DB 1972 0 0 4 26 63 14 Langston
1968 8 195 Richard Swatland G 1968 0 0 0 2 4 Notre Dame
1968 9 223 Joe Blake T 0 0 0 Tulsa
1968 10 254 Doug Robinson DB 0 0 0 Iowa St.
1968 11 276 Bennie Blocker RB 0 0 0 South Carolina St.
1968 12 303 John Beck DB 0 0 0 San Diego St.
1968 13 331 K.O. Trepanier DE 0 0 0 Montana St.
1968 14 359 Herb Covington RB 0 0 0 Memphis
1968 15 384 Wilmer Cooks RB 0 0 0 Colorado
1968 16 411 Elie Ghattas G 0 0 0 Ball St.
1968 17 439 James Ferguson C 1969 0 0 0 10 10 USC
Posted on 4/26/14 at 4:57 pm to lsutigers1992
1968 draft:
17 players drafted
7 players made it to an NFL roster
Only 4 of those 7 ever played for the Saints
3 of those 7 played in 1968 only
2 of the remaining 4 played 2 years
The remaining two played until 1972
1 of those 2 (Kevin Hardy) never played a down for the Saints
The other one (Gene Howard) had 14 INTs in his career. Only 5 of them came for the Saints
Overall NFL statistics for the Saints class of 68
142 combined NFL game appearances
44 combined NFL starts (only 6 for the Saints)
14-38 passing, 129 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
5 rushing yards (by the QB) (3 RBs were drafted)
0 receptions for 0 receiving yards (including a 3rd round WR)
14 INTs
That's it.
Larry Csonka was drafted one pick after the Saints first round pick
Three Hall of Famers were picked in the third round after the Saints picked Dave Syzmankowski
Curley Culp was drafted one pick after the Saints' spot in the 2nd round, which was traded to the Rams (see below)
Jim Kiick was drafted three picks after the Saints picked Ronnie Lee South in the 5th
Marv Hubbard was picked one pick after the Saints picked Bennie Blocker (another RB) in the 11th round
The Saints did not have their original first round pick because it went to Green Bay for Jimmy Taylor, who retired after playing one year for the Saints.
The Saints got a first round pick back for trading Gary Cuozzo, but the commissioner made them give the pick (Kevin Hardy) to San Francisco for signing Dave Parks
The Saints did not have a second round pick that year because they traded it to the Rams in exchange for sharing the Rams scouting combine info for the 1967 draft
17 players drafted
7 players made it to an NFL roster
Only 4 of those 7 ever played for the Saints
3 of those 7 played in 1968 only
2 of the remaining 4 played 2 years
The remaining two played until 1972
1 of those 2 (Kevin Hardy) never played a down for the Saints
The other one (Gene Howard) had 14 INTs in his career. Only 5 of them came for the Saints
Overall NFL statistics for the Saints class of 68
142 combined NFL game appearances
44 combined NFL starts (only 6 for the Saints)
14-38 passing, 129 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
5 rushing yards (by the QB) (3 RBs were drafted)
0 receptions for 0 receiving yards (including a 3rd round WR)
14 INTs
That's it.
Larry Csonka was drafted one pick after the Saints first round pick
Three Hall of Famers were picked in the third round after the Saints picked Dave Syzmankowski
Curley Culp was drafted one pick after the Saints' spot in the 2nd round, which was traded to the Rams (see below)
Jim Kiick was drafted three picks after the Saints picked Ronnie Lee South in the 5th
Marv Hubbard was picked one pick after the Saints picked Bennie Blocker (another RB) in the 11th round
The Saints did not have their original first round pick because it went to Green Bay for Jimmy Taylor, who retired after playing one year for the Saints.
The Saints got a first round pick back for trading Gary Cuozzo, but the commissioner made them give the pick (Kevin Hardy) to San Francisco for signing Dave Parks
The Saints did not have a second round pick that year because they traded it to the Rams in exchange for sharing the Rams scouting combine info for the 1967 draft
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 4/26/14 at 5:48 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
Two words:
Jonathan Sullivan
Now, looks better.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 6:42 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
You're dumb.
Your*
Posted on 4/26/14 at 6:56 pm to lacajun069
quote:
remember the draft when the Saints gave up two picks to get Johnathon Sullivan. Those picks could have been Quaint Bolden and Jason Whitten..
I hope this was from an iPhone.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 6:57 pm to lsutigers1992
quote:
The Saints did not have a second round pick that year because they traded it to the Rams in exchange for sharing the Rams scouting combine info for the 1967 draft
WTF
We were so dumb. How often did that happen back then? We'll give you a 2nd round pick for info on players that we can now not draft.
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