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Do Other Nevada Ranchers, or Ranchers in Other States, Pay Grazing Fees?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:51 am
If so, should the Bundys? I don't know how this works. And if ranchers don't pay grazing fees in some amount, is that an unfair advantage over a rancher that leases (or buys) private ground?
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 9:52 am
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:58 am to OTIS2
Yes, they do.
Here is what you should know... it was that evil, nasty, big government, leftist TYRANT Ronald Reagan who first decreed that ranchers should pay, without exception, grazing fees on Federal lands at rates determined by the Depts. of Agriculture and the Interior.
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Here is what you should know... it was that evil, nasty, big government, leftist TYRANT Ronald Reagan who first decreed that ranchers should pay, without exception, grazing fees on Federal lands at rates determined by the Depts. of Agriculture and the Interior.
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This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:46 am to OTIS2
I listened Mrs. Bundy on TV this morning. She said the land belongs to the state of Nev and they pay the state grazing fees. She claims that the BLM is using the claim of fees being owed as a pretext to drive them out and take the land.
Now, if it comes down to who do you believe is telling the truth I'll trust a random citizen over the federal govt any day.
Now, if it comes down to who do you believe is telling the truth I'll trust a random citizen over the federal govt any day.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:02 am to Rex
quote:You disagree? I don't....just needs to be a fair rate system for all.
Ronald Reagan who first decreed that ranchers should pay, without exception, grazing fees on Federal lands at rates determined by the Depts. of Agriculture and the Interior.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:07 am to Zach
quote:Yeah...something's amiss. Fed's ain't collecting state owed fees here. They're Federal fees, for some reason. I'll predict now that the Bundys are off base. Not about to say slimy arse Harry and his titty baby should be allowed to pull a scam, but I expect the Bundys will be (or already have been) proven to be freeloaders, not state's rights patriots. If I were their neighbor, ranching by the rules, I'd be pissed.
She said the land belongs to the state of Nev and they pay the state grazing fees. She claims that the BLM is using the claim of fees being owed as a pretext to drive them out and take the land.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:16 am to OTIS2
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If I were their neighbor, ranching by the rules
They're all gone. Sold out to the government for some reason.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:24 am to Homesick Tiger
Who owns the land? The State or the Federal Government? Surely not Bundy. Does he have a valid contract with somebody for the use of the land?
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:30 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:what is a FED?
Fed
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:35 am to Rex
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The Forest Service (FS) has been charging fees to graze private livestock on federal lands since 1906 and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has been charging fees since 1936. In 1978, Congress established a fee formula in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act (PRIA), and the grazing fee has been set according to this formula ever since.
So no, Reagan wasn't the first to decree ranchers should pay. But his Executive Order did set the amount would be as per the PRIA, which was a flawed order.
But it is an Executive Order by Reagan, which means all presidents after could have altered or rescinded the order.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:37 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:So Bundy is the ONLY rancher "leasing" grazing rights? Everyone else is "gone"?
They're all gone. Sold out to the government for some reason.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:47 am to Zach
quote:Yes. Times 1 million.
Now, if it comes down to who do you believe is telling the truth I'll trust a random citizen over the federal govt any day.
We're supposed to believe that this has been an issue for 20 years, and all of a sudden after 20 years the feds had had enough and decided to raid the gay's ranch with weapons, helicopters, etc.
Yeah, right.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:48 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Who owns the land?
The people.
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The State or the Fed?
Isn't the people the same in either case?
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Does he have a valid contract with somebody for the use of the land?
Depends on whose definition of valid you want to side with. Have I seen a piece of paper designated a contract? No. No doubt his grandfather and father had some kind of written contract with some branch of government. If that were produced I'd think it would clear up a few things.
Like I've said before, my bitch is not about who is right or wrong in this situation. The show of force of 200 well armed government agents was just flat out wrong by whoever ordered it.
Lastly, it's not over by a longshot. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bundy go down in a hail of bullets. The government is not going to take lightly that they had their arse handed to them in round one.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:49 am to L.A.
quote:Right or wrong, the Feds have been after him in court, and winning, for years. His predicament is not a sudden occurance.
all of a sudden
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:51 am to OTIS2
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So Bundy is the ONLY rancher
You said his neighbors and Bundy said all his neighbors are gone, he's the only one left. So yes, I guess he is.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:08 pm to OTIS2
the Feds winning in a Federal court? color me shocked
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:31 pm to L.A.
quote:Yeah, right, except for the fact that they didn't raid his ranch with weapons, helicopters, etc.
We're supposed to believe that this has been an issue for 20 years, and all of a sudden after 20 years the feds had had enough and decided to raid the gay's ranch with weapons, helicopters, etc.
Yeah, right.
They didn't raid his ranch at all.
And why do you think he's gay?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:36 pm to OTIS2
After escalating fees and regulation, Bundy is the sole remaining cattle rancher in southern Nevada
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:52 pm to OTIS2
Yes, I pay annually for a free range permit to the FS. Doesn't amount to a whole lot of money compared to what it would cost me to feed my horses and mules.
About 5 years ago I had an extended legal battle with the FS regarding the FRP. Since it was a grandfathered permit, I eventually ended up winning the battle. Surrounding ranches that didn't choose to fight the fight have since lost their range permits.
About 5 years ago I had an extended legal battle with the FS regarding the FRP. Since it was a grandfathered permit, I eventually ended up winning the battle. Surrounding ranches that didn't choose to fight the fight have since lost their range permits.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:41 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Depends on whose definition of valid you want to side with. Have I seen a piece of paper designated a contract? No. No doubt his grandfather and father had some kind of written contract with some branch of government. If that were produced I'd think it would clear up a few things.
No it wouldn't because the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 voided any and all grazing contracts and rights.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:59 pm to Salviati
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They didn't raid his ranch at all.
No they just surrounded it with snipers and armed agents, all the while trespassing on the mans land.
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