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Our Defense looks stacked (as for starters), but who are our backups?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:01 am
DL:
LB:
Secondary:
LB:
Secondary:
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:04 am to Shane4689
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Secondary:
I'm drawing a blank.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:07 am to Shane4689
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DL: Foster, Walker I'd say are backups...Jenkins/Bunkley split time.
LB: Reddick
Secondary: Robinson, White, Bailey are basically a mix match that will cover nickel and dime
Bush and Ball at safety
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:08 am to Shane4689
DL: Bunkley, Foster (who should be a beast when healthy), and Walker
LB: Humber and Reddick (ILB) Dawson, Haralson, Johnson (OLB)
Secondary: White, Robinson, Sweeting (CB) Bush and Ball (S)
could use more at ILB
LB: Humber and Reddick (ILB) Dawson, Haralson, Johnson (OLB)
Secondary: White, Robinson, Sweeting (CB) Bush and Ball (S)
could use more at ILB
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:09 am to Shane4689
DL:
Foster
Bunkley/Jenkins
Walker
LB:
Dawson
Humber
Reddick
Secondary:
Bush
?
Robinson
White
Sweeting/Wade
Foster
Bunkley/Jenkins
Walker
LB:
Dawson
Humber
Reddick
Secondary:
Bush
?
Robinson
White
Sweeting/Wade
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:11 am to Shane4689
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Secondary:
AJ Davis is a young player that was looking pretty impressive till his injury last year.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:20 am to Chad504boy
Only frightened about our backups at the LB position. Humber has looked pretty good at playing ILB and I think he is capable (with lots of work) of doing it all. But our starting OLBs and ILBs are very restricted in what they can do. None of them are particularly good at coverage, some are good as pass rushing and some are good at run stuffing, but we have some severe lack of talent in the backers.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:37 am to bountyhunter
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but we have some severe lack of talent in the backers.
I mean I wouldn't say that. I think Humber could start around the league in some places. Whether you consider Butler, who has potential, and Haralson who's proven, the backup, i mean they're both solid. Dawson is a guy who's made an impact as well. I mean for backups that's all you can ask
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:40 am to Brettesaurus Rex
plus, we most likely infuse young talent either through the draft or as UDFAs there as well.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:46 am to Shane4689
Our depth isn't too bad as of today. For DBs Bush, Robinson, and White is a nice group. LB, depending on how our base D looks this year, it'll be something like: Butler/Haralson, Humber, and Dawson. If Reddick and Johnson can add to that, it will be a nice bonus. DL is in decent shape with Jenkins, Foster, and Walker. Some bodies there, especially at DE would be helpful.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:59 am to bountyhunter
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Only frightened about our backups at the LB position.
This. We're really deep on the DL and in the secondary.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:18 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
Only frightened about our backups at the LB position. Humber has looked pretty good at playing ILB and I think he is capable (with lots of work) of doing it all. But our starting OLBs and ILBs are very restricted in what they can do. None of them are particularly good at coverage, some are good as pass rushing and some are good at run stuffing, but we have some severe lack of talent in the backers.
I agree. Honestly I wouldn't mind taking Mosley in the first if we think he can start at ILB for us. He's good in coverage and would fit well in our defense.
It would also allow us to dump salary with Hawethorne or Loston who are both overpaid.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:21 pm to THRILLHO
LINK
The first number is years left on the contract. The contract numbers are for next year(and what we save if cut).
Defense
DE1
Jordan 1, 5th year team option or UFA
Foster 2, $587k, $585k
DE2/DT
Hicks 2, $808k, $673k
Walker 1, RFA
NT/DT
Jenkins 3, $747k, $463k
Bunkley 3, $6.113m, $2.888m
OLB1/DE
Galette 2, $2.9m, $2m and can void and become a RFA next year if he hits 12 sacks this year
Dawson 1, UFA
Johnson 2, $510k, $510k
OLB2
Butler 1, UFA
Haralson 1, UFA
Knox 2, $510k, $510k
ILB1/MLB
Lofton 4, $9m, $4m
Reddick 2, $587k, $585k
ILB2/OLB
Hawthorne 3, $6.01m, $2.99m
Humber 1, UFA
CB1
Lewis 4, $4.85m, -$2.05m(lose cap)
Robinson 1, UFA
Wade 1, RFA
Frederick 2, $510k, $510k
Brooks 2, $513k, $510k
CB2
Bailey 2, $2.25m, $2m
White 2, $704k, $660k
Sweeting 2, $587k, $585k
Davis 1, ERFA
FS
Byrd 6, $10.3m, -$4.5m(lose cap)
Bush 2, ?, ?
SS
Vaccaro 3, $2.57m, -$2.999m(lose cap)
Ball 3, $512k, $508k
I'd say pretty solid as far as going 2 deep is concerned. You can't have a roster full of starters at your backup spots, but we have guys that could spot start at least.
The first number is years left on the contract. The contract numbers are for next year(and what we save if cut).
Defense
DE1
Jordan 1, 5th year team option or UFA
Foster 2, $587k, $585k
DE2/DT
Hicks 2, $808k, $673k
Walker 1, RFA
NT/DT
Jenkins 3, $747k, $463k
Bunkley 3, $6.113m, $2.888m
OLB1/DE
Galette 2, $2.9m, $2m and can void and become a RFA next year if he hits 12 sacks this year
Dawson 1, UFA
Johnson 2, $510k, $510k
OLB2
Butler 1, UFA
Haralson 1, UFA
Knox 2, $510k, $510k
ILB1/MLB
Lofton 4, $9m, $4m
Reddick 2, $587k, $585k
ILB2/OLB
Hawthorne 3, $6.01m, $2.99m
Humber 1, UFA
CB1
Lewis 4, $4.85m, -$2.05m(lose cap)
Robinson 1, UFA
Wade 1, RFA
Frederick 2, $510k, $510k
Brooks 2, $513k, $510k
CB2
Bailey 2, $2.25m, $2m
White 2, $704k, $660k
Sweeting 2, $587k, $585k
Davis 1, ERFA
FS
Byrd 6, $10.3m, -$4.5m(lose cap)
Bush 2, ?, ?
SS
Vaccaro 3, $2.57m, -$2.999m(lose cap)
Ball 3, $512k, $508k
I'd say pretty solid as far as going 2 deep is concerned. You can't have a roster full of starters at your backup spots, but we have guys that could spot start at least.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:37 pm to bonethug0108
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bonethug0108
easily one of my favorite posters on ST and one of the best and insightful posters on here
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:56 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I think Humber could start around the league in some places.
He's the only guy that could potentially do it all (coverage, pass rush, and run stop) currently on our roster. Hawthorne was supposed to be that guy that could stop the run, cover well, and apply some pressure when given the call. So far he has been a pretty huge disappointment. Lofton is a 4-3 MLB, he plays the position well - I still don't know how he adjusts when we actually move to a 4 backer base package (last year was essentially 3). I am eager to see how Haralson is used going forward - last year he was more of a situational player, if he improves in learning the schemes and system he'll do well (could be a every-down type of guy).
I hold to my original statement, we have a severe lack of talent in the backers, especially if you look at it from a 3-4 perspective. You have to have a lot of guys able to do many different things in the Ryan 3-4.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:56 pm to oncealurker
Thanks. I know I can sound harsh to some at times but this is why I post:
quote:. I just like to share what I see and post some stuff people may have missed or not know about.
insight
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:59 pm to bountyhunter
Agree on Humber. He's a great utility player. Not super great at anything, but he can get the job done.
On Haralson, he actually went from not playing or barely playing to at times playing more than Hawthorne(iirc). The more he caught on the more he was used. He is great against the run and a decent pass rusher and in coverage. He's like Humber, only better against the run.
On Haralson, he actually went from not playing or barely playing to at times playing more than Hawthorne(iirc). The more he caught on the more he was used. He is great against the run and a decent pass rusher and in coverage. He's like Humber, only better against the run.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:15 pm to bountyhunter
I wouldn't say Hawthorne has been a huge disappointment. He played pretty solid last year and a big step above Shanle.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:18 pm to windshieldman
I'd say he was a small step up over Shanle. He sucks(sucks) at pass coverage, is not a very good blitzer, and while good against the run overall I've seen him miss more than a few tackles.
He's a one dimensional aging player set to get $6m next year.
He's a one dimensional aging player set to get $6m next year.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:45 pm to Shane4689
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