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PMI based off of 20% of appraisal or loan amount?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:26 pm
Is the PMI based off of 20% of the appraisal or the loan amount? I plan on purchasing a home for 225k, which appraises for 245k. I was told by a loan officer (Chase) that I had to have 20% of the loan amount. I thought this was true of FHA loans, but not conventional loan.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:37 pm to TigerFanatic1
If the loan amount is greater than 80% of the appraisal you'll have PMI.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:42 pm to Sigma
Is it the same for an FHA loan?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:49 pm to TigerFanatic1
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FHA loans are not required to drop PMI under the same rules as conforming loans - if you have an FHA loan - expect to keep paying PMI for at least 5 years AND until your LTV is less than 78%. Refinancing may be the best option for you.
Looks like it. There are probably better links out there but you can infer from this one.
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:50 pm to TigerFanatic1
If you can afford to put 20% down why would you get an FHA loan?
FHA loans now require PMI for the life of the loan.
FHA loans now require PMI for the life of the loan.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:52 pm to TigerFanatic1
I believe its off of the bank's appraisal. If you have 20% equity, then you don't have to pay PMI
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:04 pm to eng08
Actually, the loan officer is pushing FHA due to the lower interest rate. It does look like there is an additional $3500 FHA fee though, so the lower interest rate isn't as great as it sounds.
I can do 20% of either the 225 or the 245, but there is about an 16k difference in the 2 and I planned to use that toward student loans.
I am wanting to stay with chase because if the low closing costs, but it looks like I definitely need to do more shopping.
I can do 20% of either the 225 or the 245, but there is about an 16k difference in the 2 and I planned to use that toward student loans.
I am wanting to stay with chase because if the low closing costs, but it looks like I definitely need to do more shopping.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:37 am to TigerFanatic1
if you are buying the house the PMI is based of the loan amount. you have to put 20% down to avoid PMI and i wish you the best dealing with Chase.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:49 am to hawkeye007
Yeah, chase is starting to look a little bad. Lol. Chase told me my wife's score of 690 would hurt the interest rate because if mine being 790; I called GMFS this morning and the gentleman told be it would effect the rate be about .5%.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:06 am to TigerFanatic1
they have to base the loan of the lowest middle score on the loan. you can drop your wife off the loan if you income is enough to make to qualify. what rate did chase quote you?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:12 am to hawkeye007
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you can drop your wife off the loan if you income is enough to make to qualify.
And worse case, if you are responsible, choose not to escrow...
That will likely knock 2-500 off of your monthly note and possibly get your approved.
You will have to pay an additional 4-500 at closing to choose this option, but it may be worth it.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:15 am to Lsut81
impounds(escrows) are counted against the DTI no matter what.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:24 am to hawkeye007
Chase quoted me 4.875% on a conventional loan with an estimated $3,400 in closing fees (not including insurance, property taxes etc). They quoted me 4.625% on an FHA with about the same in closing but with a $3,100 FHA/MIP/VA funding fee. I told him I thought they were a little high, he was quick to point out that they will rate match.
GMFS said they were confident they could get me 4.25 on a conventional with my credit scores. I'm waiting on them to send me their estimated closing sheet.
GMFS said they were confident they could get me 4.25 on a conventional with my credit scores. I'm waiting on them to send me their estimated closing sheet.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:28 am to TigerFanatic1
thats FHA rate is stupid High. FHA should be 3.875% a anything under 4.5% conventional is really good. GMFS closing cost are high but if they deliver the rate it might be worth it.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:28 am to TigerFanatic1
She recently went back to school, so I'm the only income at the moment anyways.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:31 am to TigerFanatic1
If you can afford it, go conventional. We shopped around outside of Chase and didn't anything good enough to justify having another account with a different bank. Any broker is just going to sell the loan right away anyway. Chase also does 1% of interest payback each year, which is a small incentive.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:39 am to hawkeye007
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impounds(escrows) are counted against the DTI no matter what.
Then maybe it was for the PMI... Either way, I know my mortgage guy and I chose not to escrow in order for the numbers to work properly.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:45 am to hawkeye007
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thats FHA rate is stupid High. FHA should be 3.875% a anything under 4.5% conventional is really good. GMFS closing cost are high but if they deliver the rate it might be worth it.
If their rate offsets the additional closing costs, I will probably go that route. Having to pay 20% of the loan amount instead of the appraisal was a bit of a curveball to me.
My initial plan:
House appraisal 245,000
Already agreed purchase price $225,000
Put down 40,000 which would have met 20% of appraisal and all closing costs, insurance, etc.
Pay off student loans with the rest.
Now I may seek what legal forms my relative can provide. Something like a pay more for the house but he pays the closing. My current plan is derailed by about 16,000 due to meeting 20% of the actual loan. Either way I can swing it, just wanted to get away from the 7.125% student loans.
If I am correct, the seller can pay up to 6% of the sale price toward closing costs and etc. Is there a legal amount the seller can give me toward upgrades? I was thinking of the possibility of purchasing the home for 240,000 let my relative pay the closing costs and give an allowance for updating the flooring, counters, appliances.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:59 am to TigerFanatic1
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loan officer (Chase)
Chase will do everything they can to increase fees on your loan. Just a heads up...
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:05 am to TigerFanatic1
what type of relative? you might be able to do a non arms length loan. the seller can pay up to 3% on a conventional loan or 6% on an FHA loan
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