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Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:18 pm
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:18 pm
Now that I've plunged headfirst into sous vide cooking, I'm constantly looking for new things to try out. I came across a beef shank which is a cut I've never purchased before. (Cocido De Res on the label). I seasoned them with Montreal seasoning then seared in a cast iron pan. Pulled them out and added mirepoix to the pan (shallots instead of onion), red wine (not pictured) and chicken stock...strained and reduced the jus. That was vacuum sealed in the bag with the shanks. 131 degrees for perhaps what will be 72 hours.

The two beef cuts were $3.66, and all told the dish will be around five bucks. They're working now, so we'll see what results in a couple of days.

Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:25 pm to
I am sure it will taste great. How do you insure the meat is safe? Asking for information only, no jab
Posted by LSUAfro
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:30 pm to
The anticipation would kill me. Especially if it turns out bad all that time for nada.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:30 pm to
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How do you insure the meat is safe?
From where I purchase or sous vide technique? I think you're referring to the latter, and there are many methods and charts to follow, including Thomas Keller and Douglas Baldwin.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:40 pm to
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The anticipation would kill me. Especially if it turns out bad
Trust me, it's going to taste great. The hardest thing about cooking something sous vide for over two days is that I can't use the bath for anything else unless it's the same temperature. Sous vide also lacks in triggering the senses while you cook, especially smell. You simply drop the bag in the water and absolutely nothing happens. Very anticlimactic. No sizzle, no smell, no nothing. That's probably my least favorite part of sous vide cooking...the joy is virtually erased until it's finished, but the results are well worth it.
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:37 pm to
I have done many different types of meat sous vide but have not done shanks. I think it will turn out nice but I think you will have to reduce your sauces a bit after cooking the shanks so that it is more like braised shanks.

That low a temp for that long I think is getting close to the danger zone IIRC.

Why not increase your temp to 140 F plus to reduce the risks of the shanks going south. I don't think serving them rare adds much to the dish.

I'm interested in seeing the finished product.
Posted by Langland
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:41 pm to
I've never done any sous vide cooking, but I can read. It does seem you are pushing the limits with both temperature and cook time. I'm just saying I wouldn't serve it to children or elderly folks. Of course, I'm not going knock anyone for experimenting. I'm looking forward to reading about the results.

May I suggest 134F for 24hrs
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This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 12:23 am
Posted by OldHickory
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 1:29 am to
Beef is very versatile.. much more so than poultry or pork. My way of thinking is that if you purchased good meat, even with the extended cooking time, there isn't any real way bacteria could expose itself. I've cooked all bits of beef and bone, but have never done shanks... my local grocer charges an unreasonable amount. Can you please post follow-up pics?

Sous Vide on, brother.
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 2:00 am to
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I'm just saying I wouldn't serve it to children or elderly folks.
Good thing I'm only serving this to expecting women.
Posted by StinkDog12
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:04 am to
i am very unfamiliar with this process of cooking food but i read up on it a little bit. i dont know that it would be something that i would enjoy for a couple of different reasons...1- I love char/crust/bowning on a piece of meat and 2- I love the process of cooking and my initial inexperienced look at this technique, it looks a lot like crock pot cooking that requires little to no interaction during the cooking process.

despite all of that, I do enjoy learning about different styles of cooking.

how does one get the brown crust on the outside of a pice of meat such as the picture i found online? is it browned before or after or what?

Posted by bossflossjr
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:06 am to
Yes. OP even seared n a skillet before bagging
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:32 am to
Posted by Mr Mom
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 10:36 am to
Interesting that you seared before the sous vide process. Do you normally do it that way? I usually sear afterwards. I'm still learning but I love this method for busy week nights.
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:14 am to
That meat pictured was seared after the sous vide process. Typically I sear on a grill because I like the grill marks and I think it is more appetizing with that method.

I have also seared after in a cast iron skillet and used a chefs torch to sear. I don't like these methods as well.

I think in OP's dish that searing before is the way to go since that cut of beef is typically not suitable for grilling and is generally braised for a long time after the meat is browned. I don't see the appeal for cooking that cut medium rare though and a higher temp might render the fat and connective tissue better yielding a more tender end product.

This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 11:15 am
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:17 am to
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Interesting that you seared before the sous vide process. Do you normally do it that way?
No, I haven't. The reason I seared the meat this time (and it was a poor sear...the pan wasn't quite hot enough) is because I'm trying to figure out a way to add seasoning in the bag without salt curing it. In my research it was pointed out to me that simply salting the meat literally cures it if more than a few hours (especially approaching 72 hours), drawing moisture out resulting in dry protein. My first attempt at short ribs was a huge disappointment. They were very dry and tough, which is what I thought was the opposite of what sous vide was capable of. One recipe suggested to season and sear the meat as usual, toss in the mirepoix, deglaze the fond, strain, reduce and add the liquid to the bag, thus mimicking a traditional braise. Because of my poor sear, I'm sure that I'm going to need cause some Maillard reaction to happen after it's bath, perhaps with a torch.

The fact that it's bone-in will definitely help. There's a whole bunch of marrow goodness in that shank to flavor the meat as well as the jus.

Will update after the results Sunday.

As for the people that think I'm low balling the temp, sous vide is a whole different ballgame folks. Cooking white meat chicken at 140 degrees is mind blowing to some.
Posted by StinkDog12
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 5:47 am to
It blows my mind.

To me it's almost like leaving a raw chicken breast in your car during the summer for 3 days and then eating it....

Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:32 pm to
As for the people that think I'm low balling the temp, sous vide is a whole different ballgame folks. Cooking white meat chicken at 140 degrees is mind blowing to some.

I bet you won't hold that chicken at that temp for 72 hours and eat it? When I do sous vide chicken breasts it's usually for only 1.5 hour tops and then use a velveting technique to add a nice browned color.

Since osso buco is usually braised for a few hours and cooked through what is that purpose to serve it rare (which is what you will get at your temp)? No troll just interested in your technique. Thanks.
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:16 pm to
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Prolonged cooking (e.g., braising) has been used to make tough cuts of meat more palatable since ancient times. Indeed, prolonged cooking can more than double the tenderness of the meat by dissolving all the collagen into gelatin and reducing inter-fiber adhesion to essentially nothing (Davey et al., 1976). At 176°F (80°C), Davey et al. (1976) found that these effects occur within about 12–24 hours with tenderness increasing only slightly when cooked for 50 to 100 hours. At lower temperatures (120°F/50°C to 150°F/ 65°C), Bouton and Harris (1981) found that tough cuts of beef (from animals 0–4 years old) were the most tender when cooked to between 131°F and 140°F (55°C and 60°C). Cooking the beef for 24 hours at these temperatures significantly increased its tenderness (with shear forces decreasing 26%–72% compared to 1 hour of cooking). This tenderizing is caused by weakening of connective tissue and proteolytic enzymes decreasing myofibrillar tensile strength. Indeed, collagen begins to dissolve into gelatin above 122°F to 131°F (50°C to 55°C) (Neklyudov, 2003; This, 2006). Moreover, the sarcoplasmic protein enzyme collagenase remains active below 140°F (60°C) and can significantly tenderize the meat if held for more than 6 hours (Tornberg, 2005). This is why beef chuck roast cooked in a 131°F–140°F (55°C–60°C) water bath for 24–48 hours has the texture of filet mignon.
Different types of meat will require facilitating cooking times. For instance, I only let salmon swim for 45 minutes max. There's no way I would hold a chicken breast for 72 hours at that temp merely because it will affect the texture of the meat. I once did a chuck steak too long and I could mush my thumb into the meat. Tossed that baby right into the trash.

There's so much to learn about sous vide with relatively little info out there since it's a newer concept and I'm certainly no expert. I'm just sort of borrowing concepts from the various places that I can find info.

What's interesting is some of the sources absolutely contradict each other...whether to salt something before it's bagged, also when to sear it, before or after, cooking times, temps, etc.

Thomas Keller is one of the pioneers and someone you should look into if you want to start experimenting in sous vide, but the one knock with him is that his cookbook is so advanced even the above average home cooks won't have access to various exotic ingredients. Douglas Baldwin has done extensive research and is also a pioneer and seems to be more home cook compatible. I've provided a link earlier to an insightful website, but he also has a book Sous Vide For The Home Cook which is worth picking up.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:34 pm to
Nice link bro. Thanks.

I am currently cooking some beef shanks using my pressure cooker. Total time for this method is about one hour and they usually turn out nice and tender.

How did yours turn out? I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of the finished product if you have a chance. Next time I have a lot of time I just might try your method.

FWIW I have done a nice beef stew sous vide and it came out great. I think that to get the nice rich sauce you typically get with traditional methods just take too much work when you sous vide it (and you dirty a shite ton of dishes).

eta: Baldwin seems like the Walter White of sous vide.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:30 pm to
I promised to post the final result.

Here's one of the shanks that's been braised, paired with an overcooked poached egg. Cost for what's in the pic?...just over two bucks for steak and eggs.



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