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Many food and agricultural varieties going "extinct"?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:30 am
Depressing article.. But we have to feed the masses, right?
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McCarthy also cites Louisiana strawberries – Klondykes and Tangis, “sweet and delicious, and highly coveted” – which were forced out of production several decades ago because they didn’t travel well and were too small. “Now, we can get strawberries year round, which look beautiful and taste of nothing,”
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Compared to historic records, 86% of apple varieties grown in the US alone are gone
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:22 pm to TejasHorn
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But we have to feed the masses, right?
Which is exactly what our ancestors thought when they picked and chose what foods were best to feed them.
Such is life
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:24 pm to TejasHorn
This is sad, the larger, high-yield produce, rarely are as nutritious or as flavorful as the less widely grown varieties. This is especially true in tomatoes, apples, and strawberries.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:33 pm to magildachunks
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Which is exactly what our ancestors thought when they picked and chose what foods were best to feed them.
our ancestors ate what they could grow locally and get their hands on in season. They didn't go to the super market and deliberate on what product to buy that wasn't in season simple because they wanted it. Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:44 pm to Mike da Tigah
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They didn't go to the super market and deliberate on what product to buy that wasn't in season simple because they wanted it.
Has nothing to do with what the article is saying nor my point.
We have to feed the masses, and we need to pick those foods which are best suited for the task.
Which is why the others are dying off.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:47 pm to magildachunks
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We have to feed the masses, and we need to pick those foods which are best suited for the task.
Who's this "WE" you speak of, and how in the hell did people survive before "WE" came on the scene and began shipping product all over the place to feed them?
Answer.... They fed their own damn self, and built civilizations and cities that could sustain their populations, which is why you find most people on the planet residing along bodies of water, or access to them, and the rest are very heavily agrarian, because that's how people feed themselves.
You said our ancestors picked and chose what was best to feed them, and I showed you that the picked what was locally in season. What they had left over, they canned for when it wasn't in season. That's how normal people live.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:52 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Who's this "WE" you speak of, and how in the hell did people survive before "WE" came on the scene and began shipping product all over the place to feed them?
"We" - as in the Human Race - have outgrown the Earth's capacity for traditional agricultural production.
Therefore, to feed mankind, we have to alter our food supply.
I take it you grow and hunt all your own food? Or do you let someone else do that? Like the majority of the world.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:56 pm to magildachunks
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"We" - as in the Human Race - have outgrown the Earth's capacity for traditional agricultural production.
Thank you Mr. Monsanto for your unbiased profit driven opinion, but bull fricking shite. This serves only one person's pocketbook, and the ones spreading all that nonsense to begin with, large industrial farming complexes, their shareholders, and the politicians who benefit from it all.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:57 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Thank you Mr. Monsanto for your unbiased profit driven opinion, but bull fricking shite. This serves only one person's pocketbook, and the ones spreading all that nonsense to begin with, large industrial farming complexes, their shareholders, and the politicians who benefit from it all
Go research. Specifically Norman Bourlag.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
Feeding the world is very much a current problem. One of the main current event topics that was stressed in agriculture academia when I graduated.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:06 pm to magildachunks
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Go research. Specifically Norman Bourlag.
Research?
Hey, go research fossil fuels, peak oil, electricity, and the effect it has on this retarded system that only serves to line the pockets of a select few and get back to me.
Pre1950's communities across this planet had been feeding themselves just fine and now all of a sudden, we can't get along with the industrial farms that are wiping out their small farm competition in droves, and making bank off of it to boot. People in rural villages in places like Guatemala still feed themselves just fine, and fresher and healthier than you and I eat for the most part, and they can survive just fine without all this nonsense, until of course, they become addicted to the system and become dependent and lazy, and then they can't do without it.
The only rational conclusion I can come up with to believe that nonsense is you either stand to gain financially from it, or have become so entrenched in it that you think it actually makes good human sense, which is absolutely does not.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:08 pm to Jones
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Feeding the world is very much a current problem. One of the main current event topics that was stressed in agriculture academia when I graduated.
Teach them to fish...
Instead of digging their well, teach them to dig their own well.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:16 pm to Mike da Tigah
So I guess we should just stop exporting our food and tell the people to grow their own food?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:18 pm to magildachunks
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"We" - as in the Human Race - have outgrown the Earth's capacity for traditional agricultural production.
Therefore, to feed mankind, we have to alter our food supply.
I take it you grow and hunt all your own food? Or do you let someone else do that? Like the majority of the world.
Why does it have to be an either or type thing?
It's not like there's not still plenty of room to continue to grow different varietals, while still planting more efficient strains for mass production.
It seems to me like that's what is happening more and more anyway, so I'm not sure I agree original premise here.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:20 pm to Jones
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So I guess we should just stop exporting our food and tell the people to grow their own food?
No. Let them do what they want, but it certainly doesn't make the system make any good sense, a system driven by no earth worms in soil, injecting ever increasing chemicals into the soil every growing season to produce the same yield, little to no crop rotation, and the money involved, or the dependence we have on it which is but a drought or disease away from screwing the lot of us without a backup plan because of how controlled it's become.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:22 pm to Mike da Tigah
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You said our ancestors picked and chose what was best to feed them, and I showed you that the picked what was locally in season. What they had left over, they canned for when it wasn't in season. That's how normal people live.
Know how I know you didn't read the article linked?
Mainly cause it specifically says our ancestors picked certain foods and allowed others to go extinct. They picked those best suited to feed the population.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:27 pm to magildachunks
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Mainly cause it specifically says our ancestors picked certain foods and allowed others to go extinct. They picked those best suited to feed the population.
They didn't inject chemicals into their soil or choose bullshite tomatoes with the texture of sandpaper over better tomatoes. They picked what would grow best in their local area, and what momma decide to cook was determined by the growing seasons and what they had on hand. Our regional dishes scream this. You just have to pay attention.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:33 pm to magildachunks
Biodiversity is a good thing, IMHO. There's a line--eat it to save it--that applies to less widely grown varieties of fruits/veg. Check out the Seed Savers Exchange, a nonprofit seed bank that tries to preserve and encourage planting diversity. LINK / You can shop for seeds on the website.
Smaller scale agriculture is better for the planet. But we would need to wean ourselves from the cereal crops that underpin the US diet: the corn & soy & wheat in processed foods and in animal feeds. Our cheap meats are made possible through those giant cereal monocultural fields across the Plains & Midwest.
In short, if you abhor Big Ag & monoculture farming, don't just buy local produce: quit eating factory meat.
Smaller scale agriculture is better for the planet. But we would need to wean ourselves from the cereal crops that underpin the US diet: the corn & soy & wheat in processed foods and in animal feeds. Our cheap meats are made possible through those giant cereal monocultural fields across the Plains & Midwest.
In short, if you abhor Big Ag & monoculture farming, don't just buy local produce: quit eating factory meat.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:36 pm to hungryone
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In short, if you abhor Big Ag & monoculture farming, don't just buy local produce: quit eating factory meat
This I do, although at times it becomes almost impossible to avoid it because of how much it dominates our food and choices.
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