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re: Many food and agricultural varieties going "extinct"?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:10 am to LSUfan20005
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:10 am to LSUfan20005
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Rant ended. TLDR.
Far from it. Rant at will. Excellent points, and I couldn't agree more. When we talk of the dependent classes, it's actually what America has become over the short years since this corporate mindset has taken over our food. I'm probably on the tail end of the years where gardening and buying local product was more the norm than the exception, so I understand how those in their 30's and under, or aren't involved in localized small sustainable farms and techniques as old as the hills themselves may have difficulty in relating to this, but what you're saying is fact. And, I can't help but be very uneasy in being so joined at the hip to outside sources that we put all our eggs in one basket and are a serious drought or disease away from being taken out..
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:40 am to LSUfan20005
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There are a ton of options to produce enough quality food
Who determines what are "quality" foods?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:43 am to Mike da Tigah
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And, I can't help but be very uneasy in being so joined at the hip to outside sources that we put all our eggs in one basket and are a serious drought or disease away from being taken out..
You keep saying this. So far it's the dumbest thing you've posted.
A worldwide drought would have to happen for us to be taken out.
And that's assuming that the drought-resistant wheat developed by the big, bad AG Corporations doesn't work.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:53 am to Mike da Tigah
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, I can't help but be very uneasy in being so joined at the hip to outside sources that we put all our eggs in one basket and are a serious drought or disease away from being taken out..
This statement is just a talking point for the anti-big AG crowd. There are universities world-wide who are dedicated to developing new varieties and researching agriculture practices to make sure we have a sustainable industry.
The funny thing is that the same anti-big ag people say what about a drought, but scoff at a GMO developed that could withstand a drought
Like it has been mentioned before there are huge genetic banks storing old varieties of plants and animal genetics. My buddy in grad school did his masters on using bull semen frozen from the 50's which was able to produce calves 60 years later.
The lack of variety in genetics is a myth.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:56 am to magildachunks
Mike doesn't know anything about ag or farming. He just drank the koolaid he found in some kooky documentary.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:57 am to pointdog33
Big Ag isn't the problem: US eating habits are the problem. We eat too much meat, and we pay too little for it. Cheap corn & soybeans, subsidized by our tax dollars, go into animal feed.
Those $1 Rally's (or whoever's) burgers are what's wrong with the US food system. Eat more plants, people.
Your fast food habits are contributing to a broken food system.
Those $1 Rally's (or whoever's) burgers are what's wrong with the US food system. Eat more plants, people.
Your fast food habits are contributing to a broken food system.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:58 am to LSUballs
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Mike doesn't know anything about ag or farming. He just drank the koolaid he found in some kooky documentary.
Yeah. Food, Inc. Is a load of bs.
Have three new "vegetarians" at work after a class made them watch it.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:59 am to hungryone
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Your fast food habits are contributing to a broken food system.
It's not broken.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:03 am to hungryone
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US eating habits are the problem
This is the biggest reason why we are unhealthy and I'd say it is directly linked to our disconnection from agriculture as a whole. The average US citizen in 3-4 generations removed from agriculture. They don't know how to grow their food or even where it comes from, so they don't eat fresh vegetables or fruits.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:11 am to magildachunks
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It's not broken.
Stand downwind of a feedlot or pig-barn effluent pond and tell me it's not broken. 3/4ths of antibiotics used in the US are fed to animals simply to increase their weight.
If your standard of measure is simply cheap calories, then I guess you could say our food system is not broken.
But if you measure overall environmental impact, health of the population, and use of nonrenewable resources to intensively farm cereal crops, then broken doesn't even begin to describe it...the lack of humane animal treatment is just the icing on the big, stinky cake.
I do eat meat, but I quit buying CAFO (confined animal feeding operation) meats several years ago. The tiny bit of extra effort I spend to buy a pasture-raised half-calf on the hoof or to get humanely raised, relatively local meats means I don't have to wonder what's in my meat. It means I support a local small businessman farmer who pays local taxes, not a multinational conglomerate. Bonus--I'm not paying much more per lb and the quality is great.
Who among us couldn't stand to eat a little less? Price helps: you savor what's expensive, don't throw it away so easily, and enjoy it more.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:19 am to hungryone
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For instance, a 2,500 pound prize bull with pneumonia is going to be treated with a much larger dosage of an antibiotic than an 8 pound newborn with the same bacterial infection.
Antibiotics in Ag
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:25 am to hungryone
So you're saying more expensive meat that doesn't taste as good is the way to fix our broken system?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:29 am to LSUballs
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Neither do the farmers in the Midwest/ corn belt. Only the farmers down here and only because of furrow irrigation. Up there it's all planted flat.
I didn't know that. Does anyone know if corn from a garden tastes better than corn from a grocery (like the difference with tomatoes)? I've never had corn right from the field.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:32 am to LSUfan20005
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Rant ended. TLDR.
Here's is another factoid. The majority of fertile topsoil in the world is located in North America. It's because Asia and Europe were tilling their soil for 1,000s of years while the American Indians were not.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:34 am to Zach
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Does anyone know if corn from a garden tastes better than corn from a grocery
Zach, my G-90 would make you throw rocks at anything you can get at your grocery stoe. Unless they're sourcing locally grown corn, which I doubt.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:40 am to LSUballs
Shreveport has a nice sized Farmer's Market on Saturdays during summer. Next time I go I'm gonna pick up some corn.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:01 pm to Zach
These threads always make me want to plant something. Until I realize I don't know what the shite I'm doing. 
Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:42 pm to ProjectP2294
To each his own on the "food system." You can always opt out if you choose.
We have about 6 farmers that we've stuck up solid relationships with. Basically, I commit to what I want every week, and they reward me with good prices for the consistent business. We take our kids to their farms and know the conditions, etc at each place.
I have a chicken & eggs guy, a beef, milk, & pork lady, a lamb guy, and a few veggie people as well. We also grow a great deal of our own veggies during the growing season.
My whole-cow costs $5/lb. Is this good? I don't know, it's a decision we've made and her beef is the best I've had.
We have about 6 farmers that we've stuck up solid relationships with. Basically, I commit to what I want every week, and they reward me with good prices for the consistent business. We take our kids to their farms and know the conditions, etc at each place.
I have a chicken & eggs guy, a beef, milk, & pork lady, a lamb guy, and a few veggie people as well. We also grow a great deal of our own veggies during the growing season.
My whole-cow costs $5/lb. Is this good? I don't know, it's a decision we've made and her beef is the best I've had.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 2:40 pm to LSUfan20005
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My whole-cow costs $5/lb. Is this good?
That's not bad if that is what your are paying for the whole animal after it has been processed. I wouldn't expect those prices to continue with the past droughts the cattle population is very low, which is why the current cow prices are out of this world high. 400 lb steers selling for 2.50-3.00 per lb live weight (pre-drought dump off 1.25-1.50) is going to make beef prices skyrocket.
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