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Cool Story Bro Monday RE: Armstead

Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:39 pm
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:39 pm
Stopped into Subway for lunch and saw a guy behind me wearing an Arkansas Pine-Bluff Football polo. Curiosity got the best of me and just had to ask if he worked with Armstead at all. Told me his son plays for them as a WR and KR and got him the shirt. I told him as a Saints fan we were all basically scratching our heads wondering who this guy was, but we couldn't be happier with how he turned out. Also said Armstead was real nervous his first time out but settled in really nicely down the stretch.

Have to say, I think he's gonna be a great one for us and it was cool to talk with a guy who knew him from his home school.


This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 12:47 pm
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:52 pm to
Cool story. Yeah, I think Armstead is going to be a real force for us once he absorbs the game. The physical talents are obviously there, he just has to keep developing mentally and learning the schemes and assignments.

quote:

Stopped into Subway for lunch


Congrats on not being a fatty.
Posted by 4thandinches
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:00 pm to
So the cool story is you met a guy who's son plays for Pine Bluff, and then you proceed to talk to him about Armstead?
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9316 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:01 pm to
Be nice, Patty. Brett is good people. Look at this as an opportunity to discuss the fact a rising beast on the O-line.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:03 pm to
I'm not trying to be mean. I'm making sure I'm understanding him correctly.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:14 pm to
We cannot annoit him as the LT savior yet but it sure looks good. Armstead as a #75 pick to starting left tackle is the kinda pick that makes champions.

Stills chosen #144 with 32 catches and 20 ypc could be Colston-like golden

Akiem Hicks a #89 selection, arrow is still pointing further up

Jimmy Graham #95 pick turns into a dominant NFL force

Carl Nicks #164 was an incredible score on taking a risk on off field issues

Morstead was derided as a 5th Rd pick. No one spends 5ths on punters. One play called Ambush might have been worth a 5th Rd pick by itself.

Bushrod has been a starting LT in the NFL for 5 years now after waiting until #125 to get drafted

Jahri Evans is likely to be in the Saints HOF as a #108 pick

from a scouting report on Armstead before last draft-

Members of the SWAC weren't the least bit surprised by his success. He's been a dominant force at this level throughout his career, earning all-conference honors following each of the past three seasons. He was a highly regarded prep prospect but elected to sign with Arkansas Pine-Bluff because it was the only university willing to allow him to compete in both football and track. It isn't difficult to understand why Armstead might want to pursue his opportunities in track and field... despite only participating in the sport for two years, he won the state championship in shot put (long was 62'3").

Shockingly athletic and having established that he can play with anyone, Armstead might be the best offensive tackle no one is talking about... yet

-reminds me of Hicks. Some go Regina where?! But he was a highly sought after college recruit who things didn't work out for.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

So the cool story is you met a guy who's son plays for Pine Bluff, and then you proceed to talk to him about Armstead?

No I talked to him about his son as well, but Armstead is what started the conversation. Told him I would look out for his son. Now if I ever get the chance to find an Arkansas PB game, I'll do that
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

blueslover


Good stuff. Yeah, we have an unbelievable ability to turn mid/late round picks into gold. Yet for some reason, we struggle in the 1st Round. It's not that every pick has been awful, but if we're this good at finding these diamonds in the 4th-7th rounds or UDFA market, it does make me wonder why we don't have more success with our early picks.

Look at our picks since 2006-

2006: Reggie Bush. Can't really fault the FO here, though I suspect there are a lot of Reggie haters here.

2007: Robert Meachem. Contributor at best, had some great moments but never panned out to a first round promise. Without Drew to make him look good, he was pedestrian. And I'm being nice here.

2008: Sedrick Ellis. At number 7, we dropped the ball here. We actually traded up with the Patriots to get Ellis. And who did the Pats take behind us? Jerod Mayo. Complete trade rape. Let us not forget that we actually tried to trade up even higher to get Glenn Dorsey. Yikes.

2009: Malcolm Jenkins. Other than the injuries or the fact that he can't tackle, he's a pretty good defensive back. Uh, wait. Couple that with the fact that Brian Cushing went with the very next pick, and his name still makes my stomach hurt.

2010: Patrick Robinson. Not an awful pick, especially with the 32nd overall. However, three years into the P-Rob experiment I've seen nothing making him a first round talent.

2011: Cameron Jordan. Great pick here. He's grown into his position and he'll continue to dominate under Ryan's schemes.

2011: Mark Ingram. Considering that we traded up to get him and gave up an additional 2nd rounder away for him, I'd say Ingram hasn't lived up to his promise. Is he awful? No. But he hasn't been the missing piece of the puzzle or anything resembling a game changer at his position. And that's being polite. We could have got Demarco Murray at #71, or Stevan Ridley at #73 and been just as good or better.

2013: Kenny Vaccaro. Looks to be the real deal and worth every bit of that #15 overall pick.

By my count, that's two (three, if you count Bush)of eight that have delivered expected first round results since 2006. Again, not bad, but considering what we do with our mid/late round picks, I wonder why we swing and miss so much early on.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:26 pm to
People usually have very unrealistic expectations for guys just because they are 1st rounders. The media pumps up expectations through the roof.

Fact is everyone comes into the league the same and all the grading is extremely imprecise no matter how "sophisticated" it gets.

I've learned to stop watching the draft in a way of, "Well who do we get in the first, oh by the way who was the second rounder?"

So many good players come from later rounds and even undrafted, and that's not just with our team.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:38 pm to
One time I got on this website called saints talk; and I discussed the saints with them.

Anywho, I couldn't be happier with Ramon Humber.
CSB
Posted by blueslover
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

many good players come from later rounds and even undrafted, and that's not just with our team.

But more with the Saints than most teams.

check the series by this guy at NFP bone and Number9 if ya haven't. THIS ONE looks at teams drafting efficiency. The Saints are in the bottom quarter of results of players from Rounds 1-3 (since 2004). They are #1 for 4th to 7th Rd.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:49 pm to
Strief was a 7th round pick as well.



I don't think anyone can doubt the teams ability to pick up O line talent. We've seen it with WRs and RBs as well.


I mean the team has done well in general with scouting some gems. Just some off the top of my head.

Marques Colston - 7th round pick (starter)
Junior Galette - Undrafted Free Agent (starter)
Lance Moore - Undrafted Free Agent (long time starter)
Pierre Thomas - Undrafted Free Agent (starter)
Jahri Evans - 4th Round Pick (All Pro)
Zach Streif - 7th Round Pick (starter)
Khiry Robinson - Undrafted Free Agent
Rafael Bush - Undrafted Free Agent (Orginally signed with Atlanta, then to Denver's practice squad, and then signed with NO) Just including him because they saw something in the guy
Kenny Stills - 5th Round pick (starter)
Glenn Foster - Undrafted Free Agent (rotation player)
Tim Lelilto - Undrafted Free Agent (will likely start at center this season)
John Jenkins - 3rd Round (starter)
Terron Armstead - 3rd Round (starter)
Akiem Hicks - 3rd Round (Starter)
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

don't think anyone can doubt the teams ability to pick up O line talent.
'Cept Brown.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:58 pm to




With the good comes the bad I suppose.
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:58 pm to
Yeah I saw and discussed it when you first posted it. Good stuff.

Part of our early "struggles" is the fact that we have also had less top picks than most other teams(in part to bounty gate, but also in part because of the Ellis and Ingram trades). I think the Skins are the only team to have less.

It actually confirms what I've been saying about the Patriots also. They are one of the most inefficient teams when it comes to drafting, despite the media perception that they are one of the best.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

'Cept Brown
And Tennant. Let us never forget he caused the Kruetz shite show with his suckage. And Brown was also a 2nd rounder which hurts more.

There have been others also and Bushrod certainly was no stud(serviceable). Factor in that Nicks was a first round talent with character issues.

We are good at finding OLinemen late but we have also had misses and it's about 50/50.

Armstead is just going to continue to fuel the perception that we can hit whenever we want.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:04 pm to
the Pats are the creme de la creme at ACQUIRING draft picks- not making the picks. The more picks ya have the more chance of success. So with them having some nice picks from more selections the press turns the narrative into them being a great drafting team.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:08 pm to
What I don't like is the ease in which teams seem to be lining up to give the 9ers picks and only accepting 6th and 7th rounders back from them while giving the 9ers starters.

And they seem to do a good job with the picks.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21332 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:09 pm to
What a story. Im so flacid right now.....
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