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Would you save a dying kid?

Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10307 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:08 pm
Chimerix caves into to social media and gives child experimental medicine for free.

Pharmaceutical company has meds that would save a child's life. Only problem is they're experimental and not covered by insurance, thus the price is too expensive for kid's family. Company caves in to social media outcry and gives experimental meds to kid for free.

What precedent does this set? What about the people who need this medicine, but don't have a viral video?


If the social media felt so strongly about it, they should have donated to the family so they could buy the medicine like anyone else.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:11 pm to
shite happens
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:11 pm to
Ya, bad situation.

I do find it odd they didn't give it for free at the onset since it is "experimental" and would give them great data I would think.

But I don't know the first thing that goes into those types of decisions.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted by jose canseco
Houston via Houma via BR via NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
5667 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:12 pm to
Yes to the question in the title.

WTF to the rest of your post.
Posted by Biff Tannen
Member since Sep 2012
2522 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:12 pm to
Hugo is right, shite like this happens thousands of times everyday
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51908 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

would give them great data I would think.


No way for us to know.

But it could just as likely be detrimental.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78669 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:15 pm to
Posted this on the PT the other day:

1."What if a neighbor (with modest income and no real savings) has a sick child who needs $50,000 for surgery, and the neighbor knows that I have cash in my safe at home? Would it be OK for him to rob me at gunpoint, taking my money because it’s to save a child?"

2. "What if the neighbor takes a vote of the people living on the block and 51% of them say that I have to give him the money? Would it then be acceptable, moral, or anything other than criminal, for the neighbor to come to my house and demand that I hand over the cash?"

3."What if 95 percent of my neighbors say so?"

4."is it OK for those very same people to elect a politician to do the very same thing? Is theft more palatable with a middle-man?"

5.If not, then why is it OK for a United States Senator to take my earnings and give them to someone who “needs” the money more than she believes I do, with a similar threat of violence or prison against me if I refuse to comply?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64601 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

Would you save a dying kid?


Who wouldn't?

quote:

I do find it odd they didn't give it for free at the onset since it is "experimental" and would give them great data I would think.

But I don't know the first thing that goes into those types of decisions.



Good point. There's a lot we don't know about why they were reluctant t let this kid take this medicine.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

If the social media felt so strongly about it, they should have donated to the family so they could buy the medicine like anyone else.


Dick! I sure there would have been A LOT of people that donated if the company didn't give the kid the meds.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:36 pm to
and if this experimental drug kills the kid, will the Facebook activists pay the civil damages?
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

I do find it odd they didn't give it for free at the onset since it is "experimental" and would give them great data I would think.

But I don't know the first thing that goes into those types of decisions.


the current trial is for adults. they got the FDA to immediately approve a new clinical trial for kids too (20 patients) so now they can use the data.
Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
Member since Oct 2008
18153 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:38 pm to
This is a touchy subject, but from what I gathered from this particular case linked in the article, it wasn't really about a drug being available for the right amount of $ (or if insurance covered it). They were petitioning for "compassionate use" of a drug on a child not covered in the FDA adult clinical trials, and the small biomedical company which is running the trials no longer releases its meds in compassionate use cases because it is focussing its resources on trying to get the drug approved.

FDA also seemed to cave to the social media pressure, and gave immediate approval to the company for a new clinical trial of the drug on kids, so he could get the drug. The company won some by the FDA cutting the red tape to allow them to do this.

As to the ethical question, yes, if it were my kid I would do anything possible to try and get him what was needed to save HIS life, and screw everyone else. But in the larger picture, ethically, I don't think it's fair that one person gets a treatment if it means possible delays for everyone else.

I can kind of understand the drug companies' stances on not releasing experimental meds, as it might screw up their chances for getting something approved by the FDA (although I'm not sure how bad results of usage outside a clinical trial might affect that process). It also means they have to use more of their possibly limited supply of a drug which might delay the release of the drug to the public.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:39 pm to
I am pretty sure the parents will have to sign something releasing the drug company of any liability since the drug is experimental but I could be wrong.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129005 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:40 pm to
Yeah experimental doesn't mean a guarantee.


It sucks....but sadly you can't save every dying child.


For the cost of saving that one child....how many children could you have saved in a third world country?
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:41 pm to
probably.

my point is, it's easy to "give a shite" about a cause when it's a few likes on Facebook. the medicine could kill the kid, but these idiots on Facebook would be nowhere to be found if that happened.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:42 pm to
It could kill the kid but if he/she is already dying why not try?
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

For the cost of saving that one child....how many children could you have saved in a third world country?


Probably thousands but Americans are #1!
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:43 pm to
so you don't have the guilt of killing your kid by giving him an experimental drug?
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129005 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:44 pm to
Yeah but what if it kills the kid and causes a delay in the med becoming available to others....causing others to not have the med available and they die as well.


There really isn't one easy answer to these types of situations.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45738 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

lsu480

I used to work with Phase I trials. People who are enrolled typically are not responding to traditional treatment and are basically agreeing to be guinea pigs in order to help others out in the future. I'm not sure about releasing liability, but if I were the lawyer for the drug company, in this case I would definitely be covering my arse. I agree with TH, if there are negative or unintended effects, people will be screaming for the drug company to pay.
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