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World Indoor Track Championships/Marvin Bracy (Spoilers)
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:00 pm
NBC Sports makes no damn sense. The World Indoor Track Championships are going on and yet they aren't showing any of the events.
Anyways, the US had a great first 2 days. Ashton Eaton won another gold in the heptathlon, Nia Ali upset Sally Pearson in the 60M Hurdles, Francena McCrory won the 400M, and we got a gold in the men's shot put as well. But my question is about Marvin Bracy, who got 2nd in the 60M.
Bracy is just 20 years old and was once a receiver for Florida State. Looks like he was a 4 star, Top 250 player who quit after his first year to go pro in track. I know we have a few people who follow track and field more than me here, like Trackfan, so here's what I was wondering. Is Bracy basically Xavier Carter, if Xavier Carter wasn't a brain dead wannabe drug dealer?
If I remember correctly, Nike spent almost $10 million on Carter after his top 3 all-time run in the 200 meters, and he then proceeded to win as many competitions as me in the international level.
So is Bracy a guy who could be like Bolt? Or is he more of a Walter Dix-type?
Anyways, the US had a great first 2 days. Ashton Eaton won another gold in the heptathlon, Nia Ali upset Sally Pearson in the 60M Hurdles, Francena McCrory won the 400M, and we got a gold in the men's shot put as well. But my question is about Marvin Bracy, who got 2nd in the 60M.
Bracy is just 20 years old and was once a receiver for Florida State. Looks like he was a 4 star, Top 250 player who quit after his first year to go pro in track. I know we have a few people who follow track and field more than me here, like Trackfan, so here's what I was wondering. Is Bracy basically Xavier Carter, if Xavier Carter wasn't a brain dead wannabe drug dealer?
If I remember correctly, Nike spent almost $10 million on Carter after his top 3 all-time run in the 200 meters, and he then proceeded to win as many competitions as me in the international level.
So is Bracy a guy who could be like Bolt? Or is he more of a Walter Dix-type?
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:03 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Bracy is just 20 years old and was once a receiver for Florida State.
Bracy is an absolute stud.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:58 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Bracy
Posted on 3/8/14 at 4:03 pm to Keys Open Doors
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So is Bracy a guy who could be like Bolt? Or is he more of a Walter Dix-type?
Between those 2 options he is definitely more Walter Dix. The start is bracy's biggest strength, so he is more suited for the indoor 60 than outdoor 100.
It's also nearly impossible to compare bracy to Xavier carter. Bracy is a 60/100 guy only. Carter was world class in 200 and 400, and good enough in 100 to be NCAA champion in that. Bracy only ran 1 indoor season in college before turning pro. He was among the best in the country in the 60, but not a definite favorite and false started at the NCAA meet. Carter ran 20.02 and split 44.0 as a freshman, both much more impressive than anything bracy did.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 4:21 pm to Open Your Eyes
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It's also nearly impossible to compare bracy to Xavier carter. Bracy is a 60/100 guy only. Carter was world class in 200 and 400, and good enough in 100 to be NCAA champion in that. Bracy only ran 1 indoor season in college before turning pro. He was among the best in the country in the 60, but not a definite favorite and false started at the NCAA meet. Carter ran 20.02 and split 44.0 as a freshman, both much more impressive than anything bracy did.
Did Xavier Carter ever finish top 2 at worlds? Serious question, not flaming.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 4:31 pm to TheOcean
No he didn't, because he's a moron that's spent more time in jail than on the track since turning pro.
In his first pro race, after his soph year, he ran 19.6 in 200 from lane 8. At the time it was the 2nd fastest 200 ever run.
Is bracy going to do anything remotely close to that this summer, the equivalent of his soph year? And I'll add, with a year and a half of pro training, without a football season mixed in?
In his first pro race, after his soph year, he ran 19.6 in 200 from lane 8. At the time it was the 2nd fastest 200 ever run.
Is bracy going to do anything remotely close to that this summer, the equivalent of his soph year? And I'll add, with a year and a half of pro training, without a football season mixed in?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 4:54 pm to Keys Open Doors
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NBC Sports makes no damn sense. The World Indoor Track Championships are going on and yet they aren't showing any of the events.
It's on Universal Sports, which is Ch. 625 for Direct TV viewers.
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Anyways, the US had a great first 2 days. Ashton Eaton won another gold in the heptathlon, Nia Ali upset Sally Pearson in the 60M Hurdles, Francena McCrory won the 400M, and we got a gold in the men's shot put as well. But my question is about Marvin Bracy, who got 2nd in the 60M. Bracy is just 20 years old and was once a receiver for Florida State. Looks like he was a 4 star, Top 250 player who quit after his first year to go pro in track. I know we have a few people who follow track and field more than me here, like Trackfan, so here's what I was wondering. Is Bracy basically Xavier Carter, if Xavier Carter wasn't a brain dead wannabe drug dealer? If I remember correctly, Nike spent almost $10 million on Carter after his top 3 all-time run in the 200 meters, and he then proceeded to win as many competitions as me in the international level.
I would put Bracy in the Walter Dix category, with the potential to be a really good sprinter on the international scene for many years, but not a transcendent talent. Looking back on what Xavier Carter had accomplished by the age of 20, he will probably go down as one of the greatest what-ifs in the history of track and field. However, he did win a few races after he turned pro, including the Prefontaine Classic and the Brussels Diamond League.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 4:57 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Between those 2 options he is definitely more Walter Dix. The start is bracy's biggest strength, so he is more suited for the indoor 60 than outdoor 100.
It's also nearly impossible to compare bracy to Xavier carter. Bracy is a 60/100 guy only. Carter was world class in 200 and 400, and good enough in 100 to be NCAA champion in that. Bracy only ran 1 indoor season in college before turning pro. He was among the best in the country in the 60, but not a definite favorite and false started at the NCAA meet. Carter ran 20.02 and split 44.0 as a freshman, both much more impressive than anything bracy did.
Well said. Personally, I think X-man had as much upside in the 200/400 as Bolt in the 100/200. What say you?
EDIT: One thing that's noteworthy about X-man is that unlike a lot of young Black athletes who come from the wrong side of the tracks (broken home, low end of the socio-economic spectrum, etc.), he comes from the right side of the tracks (two-parent home, both college-educated, middle class).
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 5:05 pm to trackfan
It almost seems ridiculous at face value to compare anyone to bolt. But Carter's 19.63 at age 20 > bolt's 19.75 at age 20, and 44.00 split as a 19 year old, running by himself the entire time, is pretty amazing as well. So yes, it's at least a discussion worth having.
Having said that, forget just track and field. Xavier carter is in the discussion for biggest waste of talent in the history of all sports.
Having said that, forget just track and field. Xavier carter is in the discussion for biggest waste of talent in the history of all sports.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 5:08 pm to trackfan
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EDIT: One thing that's noteworthy about X-man is that unlike a lot of young Black athletes who come from the wrong side of the tracks (broken home, low end of the socio-economic spectrum, etc.), he comes from the right side of the tracks (two-parent home, both college-educated, middle class).
Not to mention having a relative(I think uncle?) be one of the higher ups at LSUPD(maybe even chief?) while he was in Baton Rouge. And he still couldn't stay out of trouble.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 5:28 pm to trackfan
I don't have DirecTV. I think used to have Universal Sports once upon a time though.
Xavier Carter is a lot like JR Smith in the example you gave. He's also dumb as a brick, excluding his desire to be a Thuggin It and Lovin It extra rather than a world champion.
With all that being said, he was probably the closest thing we've ever seen to a second coming of Michael Johnson, at least until he turned 21 and never did more than finish 8th in the Olympic trials.
While Bracy doesn't have the same ceiling (ignoring events, focusing just on dominance), he does seem to have a much better chance at reaching his potential. I think he will be in the 9.9s before he turns 22, which is as good as Demps or any of the other relay medalists for the US. I was just wondering if he would get to the level of winning medals in loaded fields in the 100 meters.
Xavier Carter is a lot like JR Smith in the example you gave. He's also dumb as a brick, excluding his desire to be a Thuggin It and Lovin It extra rather than a world champion.
With all that being said, he was probably the closest thing we've ever seen to a second coming of Michael Johnson, at least until he turned 21 and never did more than finish 8th in the Olympic trials.
While Bracy doesn't have the same ceiling (ignoring events, focusing just on dominance), he does seem to have a much better chance at reaching his potential. I think he will be in the 9.9s before he turns 22, which is as good as Demps or any of the other relay medalists for the US. I was just wondering if he would get to the level of winning medals in loaded fields in the 100 meters.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 5:43 pm to Keys Open Doors
What a brain dead frick Xavier is
Posted on 3/8/14 at 6:03 pm to Keys Open Doors
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While Bracy doesn't have the same ceiling (ignoring events, focusing just on dominance), he does seem to have a much better chance at reaching his potential. I think he will be in the 9.9s before he turns 22, which is as good as Demps or any of the other relay medalists for the US. I was just wondering if he would get to the level of winning medals in loaded fields in the 100 meters.
I don't ever see bracy being a consistent major threat in the 100 meters outdoors. Indoor 60, sure. But his quick start is less of a factor in the 100, and other young guys like Charles silmon, Isaiah young, mookie salaam, etc have better speed endurance to run him down over 100 meters.
And I don't think any of those guys are going to ever be consistent major threats in the 100. But there should be a much needed rejuvenation in the 200 with that group and others like Ameer Webb and Dedric dukes. And the current 400 group of collegiates is fantastic as well.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 6:18 pm to Open Your Eyes
Thanks for the info. Silmon seems like he could be a star.
Does that guy from LSU, Aaron Ernest, have any shot at making that list?
Does that guy from LSU, Aaron Ernest, have any shot at making that list?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 6:27 pm to Keys Open Doors
Ernest has a decent chance in the 200, but he has to become more consistent. Last year he was the best in the country through the SEC indoor meet, but fell apart at NCAA indoor and never really got back in a groove.
He has a lot of work to do on his start if he's ever going to be a threat in the 100.
He has a lot of work to do on his start if he's ever going to be a threat in the 100.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:52 pm to trackfan
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I would put Bracy in the Walter Dix category
I agree. And that is not at all derogatory.
9.88/19.53 would have put Dix in contention for top 5 sprinters ALL-TIME if he had run those marks even 6 years earlier.
I imagine Bracy would sacrifice AT LEAST one testicle to sniff those times and Dix's 4 medals on the world stage.
Also, Keys, you need to come to trivia more often.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 2:18 pm to tigercross
I was out of town a couple weeks back, and I will be at a wedding this weekend and am heading to California after that. I might not be physically able to come until the first week of April. Should have come this past week 
I streamed the final day earlier. I missed his, but Lagat got silver in the 3000. Guy is already 40. US got gold in women's 800 and swept the 4x400 relays. The men set an indoor world record, I believe. Someone I've never heard of from Texas Tech named Omo Osagie won the 60 hurdles. Also Tianna Madison got bronze in the women's 60.
Overall a great tournament for the US. Only disappointments were Jen Suhr in the pole vault not meddling and high jumper Erik Kynard getting 4th in high jump, and those are minor disappointments.
Anyone know if Will claye, Brittany Reese, Christian Taylor and other elite jumpers didn't participate? Are they all injured?
Posted on 3/9/14 at 2:41 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Anyone know if Will claye, Brittany Reese, Christian Taylor and other elite jumpers didn't participate? Are they all injured?
Will claye got injured in the LJ at US indoors. Based on his results up to that point I'm not sure he would've made it anyway.
2014 is an "off" year for most US athletes because there are no major outdoor championships. So they'll compete sparingly this season to stay in shape and make some money, but mostly use it as an off year to rest their bodies and gear up for worlds in 2015 and rio in 2016. Most elite athletes don't do indoor too much anymore anyway.
The elite US sprinters didn't participate for the most part either. Of the 4 guys that just set the 4x4 indoor world record, only 1 of them even made the 400 final at the US championships last year.
Besides the men's distance group, the only truly elite us athletes(people that would almost definitely be on an outdoor worlds or Olympic team) that were at this meet were probably bartoletta, mcrory, Hastings, verburg, suhr, kynard and whiting. Maybe Ali
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 4:01 pm to Open Your Eyes
It seems like a bit of a mixed bag, but that's still a lot of big names. Men and women long distance teams were full of big names although Cain pulled out, and the women brought stars in the 400 and 800. The men brought Symonds in middle distance, too. Ali isn't a big name necessarily but she just beat Sally Pearson so that has to mean quite a bit, as well.
Internationally, the Jamaican women brought big names even if the men didn't come, and you had gold medalists like Adams, Ohurougu, and Fraser-Pryce. I noticed the Kenyans didn't give a frick though.
Internationally, the Jamaican women brought big names even if the men didn't come, and you had gold medalists like Adams, Ohurougu, and Fraser-Pryce. I noticed the Kenyans didn't give a frick though.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:16 pm to Keys Open Doors
I'm not saying there were no by names there, but there were many more notables that were not there.
You mentioned having never heard of osaghe. That's because in the US alone he is maybe the 5th best hurdler if everyone is competing. That's not to say he's not good, or didn't have a great performance in Poland. But I'd bet right now he is more likely to not make the final at US outdoors in 2015 than he is to medal at 2015 worlds.
Same thing with Ali, although she did make the US team last year. But neither Rollins nor Harrison are running this indoor season. And while it is great she beat Pearson, this was only pearson's 2nd indoor meet of the year. Compared to Ali's 7th.
In the 60 no Felix, jeter, Gardner for the women, or Gatlin, gay(suspended), Rodgers for men. No Richards Ross, Merritt, mccquay in the 400s. You say they brought stars in the 800. Wilson made the world team last year, ok. Price won in Poland and did not make the final at usa's last year. No Martinez or montano. You already mentioned no Cain in the distance events, no Simpson either. No Barrett in HJ
Internationally, this was the first time fraser pryce has ever run indoors I believe. Ohurugu only came as a relay alternate and was actually a late add to the team. It was clear she wasn't anywhere near her normal form. None of the Russian women in the 400. And the men's side was almost completely void of any big names it seemed. Aman in the 800, ukhov in HJ and stohl in the shotput are the only ones that really stood out going through the results.
The next world indoor in 2016 will see many more big names because it's an Olympic year.
You mentioned having never heard of osaghe. That's because in the US alone he is maybe the 5th best hurdler if everyone is competing. That's not to say he's not good, or didn't have a great performance in Poland. But I'd bet right now he is more likely to not make the final at US outdoors in 2015 than he is to medal at 2015 worlds.
Same thing with Ali, although she did make the US team last year. But neither Rollins nor Harrison are running this indoor season. And while it is great she beat Pearson, this was only pearson's 2nd indoor meet of the year. Compared to Ali's 7th.
In the 60 no Felix, jeter, Gardner for the women, or Gatlin, gay(suspended), Rodgers for men. No Richards Ross, Merritt, mccquay in the 400s. You say they brought stars in the 800. Wilson made the world team last year, ok. Price won in Poland and did not make the final at usa's last year. No Martinez or montano. You already mentioned no Cain in the distance events, no Simpson either. No Barrett in HJ
Internationally, this was the first time fraser pryce has ever run indoors I believe. Ohurugu only came as a relay alternate and was actually a late add to the team. It was clear she wasn't anywhere near her normal form. None of the Russian women in the 400. And the men's side was almost completely void of any big names it seemed. Aman in the 800, ukhov in HJ and stohl in the shotput are the only ones that really stood out going through the results.
The next world indoor in 2016 will see many more big names because it's an Olympic year.
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