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Pelicans with plenty of love in Simmons' worst contracts piece
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:54 pm
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Reke and Gordon make the list, as well.
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That’s not the only problem, of course. Franchises can be handcuffed by a lack of organizational cohesion, owners pushing to win or be relevant “RIGHT NOW!!!,” executives rolling the dice with panic moves as a Hail Mary to avoid getting fired, and just sheer, staggering incompetence. For God’s sake, look at what happened to the poor Pelicans last summer:
Door A: 2013’s no. 6 pick (Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, Burke and Carter-Williams all on the table); their 2014 first-rounder (top-five protected); the Greivis Vasquez/Robin Lopez expirings ($7.2 million combined); more than $10 million in cap space. I like it!
Door B: Jrue Holiday; $44 million of Tyreke Evans; no cap space; no 2014 first-rounder unless it falls in the top five. BEWARE: DO NOT OPEN! I AM SERIOUS! DO NOT OPEN THIS DOOR!
Did the Pellies pick Door B? Of course they did! At least when Detroit spent $54 million on Josh Smith, they were getting one of the NBA’s 10 best forwards … even if every Hawks fan within a 125-mile radius would have happily driven Josh to the airport. But wasting picks AND assets to lock down the NBA’s most expensive non-Lakers three-guard rotation (Holiday, Evans and Eric Gordon), then eschewing better protection on that 2014 pick when you’re in the fiercely competitive West? Amazing. Truly amazing. It’s been eight years since I wrote the Atrocious GM Summit column — I could throw another summit right now. And next year. And every year. Don’t ever stop being you, NBA GMs.
Reke and Gordon make the list, as well.
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:56 pm to Stewie Griffin
Add graphic.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:59 pm to Stewie Griffin
This is why it pains me when some posters say how we unequivocally "won" that trade.
Stop that, we won't know "the winner" of this for another couple of years, but right now it's looking like it blew up in our faces.
Stop that, we won't know "the winner" of this for another couple of years, but right now it's looking like it blew up in our faces.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:01 pm to Stewie Griffin
I was just about post this
He's pretty much dead on about all of it
He's pretty much dead on about all of it
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:01 pm to Broski
Can I haz both Jrue and Nerlens???
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:02 pm to MrWiseGuy
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7. Eric Gordon: three years, $44.7 million
The original Chris Paul trade: CP3 to the Lakers; Pau Gasol to the Rockets; Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Lamar Odom’s expiring, Goran Dragic and a 2012 first-rounder to New Orleans.
What New Orleans got for Chris Paul after The Veto: Eric Gordon, Al Farouq-Aminu, Chris Kaman’s Expiring, the no. 10 pick in 2012 (Austin Rivers).
To be fair, the second trade allowed New Orleans to bottom out and land the 2012 no. 1 overall pick (Anthony Davis) — which was hilarious because the NBA owned the team and all. Bring this up anytime an NBA official whines about tanking. But did you ever think Dragic would be the prize of those two trades? Goran Dragic??? And how bad was the ultimate haul for CP3? Gordon, Aminu, Rivers and one year of Kaman? Was that even 15 cents on the dollar?
In general, “What if the original Chris Paul trade went through?” turned into a splendid NBA “What If?”: Had the deal been approved, then there’s no Lob City with Blake/DeAndre/Chris; no Harden trade for Houston (and who knows where Houston would be?); no Anthony Davis for New Orleans (it would have been too good to get that pick); maybe no 2014 Suns renaissance with Dragic; maybe Dwight Howard stays with the Lakers; maybe Odom’s career doesn’t fall apart; maybe we don’t remember this as David Stern’s last abysmal moment; and maybe we don’t remember New Orleans’s ultimate haul for CP3 as the “Pupu Platter: Gumbo Edition.” What the heck happened to you, Eric Gordon? How did you turn into a legitimate salbatross? I will never figure that one out.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:04 pm to danman6336
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What the heck happened to you, Eric Gordon? How did you turn into a legitimate salbatross?
Shitty knee and lack of motivation
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:05 pm to Broski
I am a fan of Tyreke, but I agree that he has to work in a particular system here to really be worth giving up Lopez and potential future cap space (Vasquez was a gone pecan with the Holiday deal), even with Withey coming over.
He really needs space, and Ryno's absence killed him. I'm not worried about poor shooting if it is not his job. As long as he helps perimeter guys get their space and can threaten the rim + get to the line, it should work out.
Or, if they can get a better piece for him in trade.
I want it to work, but it is not clear one way or the other today.
ETA: The Holiday trade is so hard to judge, but don't forget to factor in Pierre.
He really needs space, and Ryno's absence killed him. I'm not worried about poor shooting if it is not his job. As long as he helps perimeter guys get their space and can threaten the rim + get to the line, it should work out.
Or, if they can get a better piece for him in trade.
I want it to work, but it is not clear one way or the other today.
ETA: The Holiday trade is so hard to judge, but don't forget to factor in Pierre.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:07 pm to 42
quote:Yep
I want it to work
But so far it's been kind of a bust
Probably the most disappointing element of the entire franchise right now for me
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:11 pm to danman6336
quote:
Yep
But so far it's been kind of a bust
Probably the most disappointing element of the entire franchise right now for me
For better or worse, this team is thin and interdependent... You lose one piece, it goes to hell. This team is more like a car with a flat tire when it suffers an injury. A solid team with depth is more like a gun with one or two fewer bullets. The latter works, you just have to buck up. The former takes a major performance hit.
Depth should help, but not this season.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:12 pm to danman6336
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:13 pm to danman6336
Simmons is spot on. I enjoy watching him
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:13 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
Lot of spaces to try and prove a point.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:15 pm to 42
I think that's a cop out. It's plain bullshite that ryno's absence made tyreke the WORST shooter in the nba. Dude can't jump or dunk, neither can gordon. Just a couple of loads.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:15 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
The funny thing is Demps is still a pretty untouchable guy on here for a lot of posters
The man can do no wrong
The man can do no wrong
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:20 pm to Stewie Griffin
Dunno. Jrue and Reke have had some great stretches when healthy. Gordon has been a subpar player on a horrible contract, so when he's lumped in with those two, it makes those two moves look worse than they were (and I still like both moves).
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:21 pm to MrBlue105
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I think that's a cop out. It's plain bullshite that ryno's absence made tyreke the WORST shooter in the nba. Dude can't jump or dunk, neither can gordon. Just a couple of loads.
That would be a cop out, but I did not say that. I said he needs a role where he threatens the rim and gets to the line. While this involves the ball leaving his hand and moving toward the rim with thr purpose of passing through it in a downward direction, it is not the shooting he is known to be poor at.
He gets to the rim quite well for a guard. He would do even better with more space. Space will likely NOT help his jump shot.
Sorry if that distinction was not clear before.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:22 pm to 42
Really think it's hard to judge the Reke and Jrue deals with all of the injuries this year. Our main 5 guys have played what, 10 games together all year? Of course the results have been poor.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:23 pm to danman6336
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The funny thing is Demps is still a pretty untouchable guy on here for a lot of posters
The man can do no wrong
From where I sit: he's creative, gets reasonable deals, has a plan, and works well enough with other GM's. I do not know if the plan will work or not. If it fails, I do not know if it will be because of him, Monty, luck, whatever.
He has not upset me, but I value draft picks less than the average guy, and that may affect my estimate.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:28 pm to 42
Simmons is a fricking idiot. The Jrue trade was fine.
The Tyreke move was bad. It is what it is.
Simmons believes that small markets are feeder teams for the big markets and can only get better one way: getting extremely lucky multiple times.
The Tyreke move was bad. It is what it is.
Simmons believes that small markets are feeder teams for the big markets and can only get better one way: getting extremely lucky multiple times.
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