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Salary Cap idea that will never happen
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 1:59 pm
Regarding JG and any other rookie contract ending FA:
I started thinking just now of how shitty it is for a team to draft a player, train that player, strike gold with him and then have him leave and bring that team's hard work into making him a great player to another team so that they can reap the benefits. It's really a stupid system. I do like free agency, but this brings me back to my memories of the strike that ultimately lead to FA and what the owners were afraid of. They were right.
Here's what I think ought to happen. I believe that contracts should count against the cap just as they do. However, I think that when a player's rookie contract expires, if the team that drafted him (and ONLY that team) signs him to a second contract then it's salary cap hit should be half the contract (or some other percentage, but not the full 100%). This will allow players to get paid their due as well as allow the team to reap their rewards for their smart drafting and hard work of teaching. Once that second contract is over, then this expires and any contract counts the full cost.
Thoughts?
I started thinking just now of how shitty it is for a team to draft a player, train that player, strike gold with him and then have him leave and bring that team's hard work into making him a great player to another team so that they can reap the benefits. It's really a stupid system. I do like free agency, but this brings me back to my memories of the strike that ultimately lead to FA and what the owners were afraid of. They were right.
Here's what I think ought to happen. I believe that contracts should count against the cap just as they do. However, I think that when a player's rookie contract expires, if the team that drafted him (and ONLY that team) signs him to a second contract then it's salary cap hit should be half the contract (or some other percentage, but not the full 100%). This will allow players to get paid their due as well as allow the team to reap their rewards for their smart drafting and hard work of teaching. Once that second contract is over, then this expires and any contract counts the full cost.
Thoughts?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:00 pm to Midget Death Squad
You hate the system that brought Brees here?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:05 pm to Midget Death Squad
The owners do not want the pressure and fan backlash that having unspent cap dollars would cause.
And they do not want to spend more on contracts. If they did they would change the cap formula as they wish.
But I do like trying to find a way to keep your own drafted and developed talent. The hard part is that owner money is involved.
And they do not want to spend more on contracts. If they did they would change the cap formula as they wish.
But I do like trying to find a way to keep your own drafted and developed talent. The hard part is that owner money is involved.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:06 pm to Hoodoo Man
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You hate the system that brought Brees here?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:38 pm to Hoodoo Man
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You hate the system that brought Brees here?
hate is a strong word, but Yup
and before you start aimlessly bashing saying that I must not be a fan of Brees, read "Old Man and the Sea" first.
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owner money is involved.
true, but I don't think owners would be opposed to this as much. while in a way it is raising the salary cap, it's not quite the same thing. it will only effect expiring rookie contracts, and only if you resign that player. plus the player would have to agree to sign with you, since he is still a free agent. this year for us, it would mainly effect Graham since he is the only big money rookie that is involved. I think that for one or two players, the owners would be on board.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:41 pm to Hoodoo Man
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You hate the system that brought Brees here?
not really applicable here since they never signed him to the next contract. They picked up Rivers and franchised him
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:42 pm to Midget Death Squad
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I think that for one or two players, the owners would be on board.
Perhaps a limit each year with possible carry over to the next year for unused options would sweetin the deal.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:44 pm to goatmilker
yes, I am down with this. We need to work out the details of this plan, iron out The Kinks and submit it to the NFL brass for review
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:45 pm to TigerBait1127
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not really applicable here since they never signed him to the next contract. They picked up Rivers and franchised him
Exactly. Brees was hot and cold with the Chargers, so they got their QB of the future and basically let Brees walk. Totally different than a team picking up someone, developing them and then watching them go to some absolute crap team that can pay them twice as much
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:26 pm to Midget Death Squad
Not a bad idea but I'd have some limit. Maybe allow them to "tag" 2 players.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:26 pm to cameron789787
It also benefits the player (besides money). Oakland is one that will always overpay for a player, and too often they go there and ruin their careers. If players can resign with the team that drafted and developed them, they will be able to continue their development where they have been successful. Ultimately there needs to be some reward for teams drafting well. It's crap the way the NFL has become a farm system for the teams that draft like shite.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:22 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:
Regarding JG and any other rookie contract ending FA:
I started thinking just now of how shitty it is for a team to draft a player, train that player, strike gold with him and then have him leave and bring that team's hard work into making him a great player to another team so that they can reap the benefits. It's really a stupid system. I do like free agency, but this brings me back to my memories of the strike that ultimately lead to FA and what the owners were afraid of. They were right.
Here's what I think ought to happen. I believe that contracts should count against the cap just as they do. However, I think that when a player's rookie contract expires, if the team that drafted him (and ONLY that team) signs him to a second contract then it's salary cap hit should be half the contract (or some other percentage, but not the full 100%). This will allow players to get paid their due as well as allow the team to reap their rewards for their smart drafting and hard work of teaching. Once that second contract is over, then this expires and any contract counts the full cost.
Thoughts?
It's pretty much impossible to argue that free agency and the salary cap hasn't been very good for the NFL.
The playing field is as level as possible, and bad teams can turn it around in a single year.
You are blinded by one situation.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 10:10 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:23 pm to Midget Death Squad
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This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:16 pm to moneyg
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It's pretty much impossible to argue that free agency and the salary cap has been very good for the NFL.
i think you worded this incorrectly
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:51 pm to moneyg
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You are blinded by one situation.
um.... nope. This happens every year with different teams and different players. It's something that has always been a problem with FA, and it is not just because of the Jimmay situation. Carolina is about to lose Greg Hardy due to the same situation. I was reading the report on PFT earlier today, which is what actually sparked me to think about this and how it can be fixed. It's not right that they drafted well and developed Hardy only to watch him take that skillset to another team. They farmed him for the Raiders (or whoever signs him), and that new team will reap the benefits of Carolina's toils.
We won't be losing Graham, so that's not the situation here. For both of us and any other team in this spot, it would be best if we could sign that player to a fair contract, and if he agrees then we would have a fraction of that salary count towards the cap.
You, on the other hand, did not offer any rejection to my contention nor did you even address my stance. You make a blanket statement that FA and SC have been good for the NFL. I stated the same thing in my original post. I agree with this, but that doesn't mean it has been perfect. This is a glaring issue that needs to be addressed.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:10 am to TigerBait1127
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i think you worded this incorrectly
Nothing like totally making the opposite point you were trying to make. Thanks, I fixed it.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:17 am to Midget Death Squad
I think the idea needs certain rules for it to work.
Like, it can only be used once a year and can only be used on a player YOU drafted and only on their 2nd contract (rookie conract is the 1st).
A team like Seattle is going to run into an issue when all their DBs demand high $$ because they're all top of their position players.
The way I see it, if you hit in a draft on multiple players, you should at least have a feasible shot at retaining both. Let's hypothetically say Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman were both in the same draft. That offseason, you're going to have to deal with both of their contracts, but they both want top money. More than likely, you'll lose one.
Like, it can only be used once a year and can only be used on a player YOU drafted and only on their 2nd contract (rookie conract is the 1st).
A team like Seattle is going to run into an issue when all their DBs demand high $$ because they're all top of their position players.
The way I see it, if you hit in a draft on multiple players, you should at least have a feasible shot at retaining both. Let's hypothetically say Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman were both in the same draft. That offseason, you're going to have to deal with both of their contracts, but they both want top money. More than likely, you'll lose one.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:28 am to Midget Death Squad
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You, on the other hand, did not offer any rejection to my contention nor did you even address my stance. You make a blanket statement that FA and SC have been good for the NFL. I stated the same thing in my original post. I agree with this, but that doesn't mean it has been perfect. This is a glaring issue that needs to be addressed.
I don't think it is a glaring issue. This isn't the NBA where markets play a large part in where the free agents go. Teams that lose free agents lose them because they CHOOSE to not pay the market rate for the player.
That's either because they have already decided to spend the money elsewhere (balanced team salaries is good for the league), have made poor decisions from a cap standpoint, or would prefer to spend their money on a different free agent.
Plus, your solution basically takes some of the teeth away from the salary cap. Not only do owners not want this for obvious reasons, but depending on the percentage (50% is absurd), some teams could theoretically choose to pay 50% more than the market value for a player. That causes all kinds of ripple effects as it relates to players salaries.
If you had to do something, I don't think you do, just give the owners right of first refusal for any FA contract signed by a player coming off his rookie deal. Guess what though, just like the owners aren't going for increased salary, the players aren't going for that either.
Basically, you are trying to solve a problem that's not really a problem and in doing so would require a pretty significant restructuring of the collective bargaining agreement.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:29 pm to moneyg
something could be done. The need is to provide some incentive for keeping players while not inhibiting the freeness of the market for them.
Here's another-
For each year a player is under contract to the same team (consecutively) beyond five years, that team gets an amount of cap credit. Let's say $1mil per yr.
Jahri Evans as an example-
This will be his 9th year. That would be 4 years credit. Add $4mil to the Saints cap
Here's another-
For each year a player is under contract to the same team (consecutively) beyond five years, that team gets an amount of cap credit. Let's say $1mil per yr.
Jahri Evans as an example-
This will be his 9th year. That would be 4 years credit. Add $4mil to the Saints cap
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:57 am to blueslover
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something could be done. The need is to provide some incentive for keeping players while not inhibiting the freeness of the market for them.
Here's another-
For each year a player is under contract to the same team (consecutively) beyond five years, that team gets an amount of cap credit. Let's say $1mil per yr.
Jahri Evans as an example-
This will be his 9th year. That would be 4 years credit. Add $4mil to the Saints cap
You've just incentivized/forced the Saints to pay Evans 4M more than the market rate OR you have given an advantage to teams that resign their free agents. Neither of those things are good for the NFL, IMO.
The NFL has it right.
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