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Trade Austin Rivers
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:01 am
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:01 am
I don't know how much clearer it could possibly be that this kid is not in Monty's long term plans. I highly doubt we see his trade value increase much as Jrue will come back and the minutes will become even more sparse to showcase his potential.
After having one of the worst layup attempts you will ever see in the first half and immediately getting benched, Austin shrugged it off and was a massive part of a 17 point turnaround in the 4th quarter, only to be replaced by Roberts again at the 3 minute mark. He was playing nearly flawless basketball at both ends of the floor. Instead of letting him have his moment, he once again gets benched while Rubio rattles off 7 points in 2 minutes and looks like Damian Lillard all of a sudden.
Let him go at this point. I have no idea why his potential and improvements are being ignored by the coaching staff. It's best for all parties to just ship him out, let him move on and grow with another team that will actually give him a fair shot and allow the supporters of his in NOLA the chance to breathe.
After having one of the worst layup attempts you will ever see in the first half and immediately getting benched, Austin shrugged it off and was a massive part of a 17 point turnaround in the 4th quarter, only to be replaced by Roberts again at the 3 minute mark. He was playing nearly flawless basketball at both ends of the floor. Instead of letting him have his moment, he once again gets benched while Rubio rattles off 7 points in 2 minutes and looks like Damian Lillard all of a sudden.
Let him go at this point. I have no idea why his potential and improvements are being ignored by the coaching staff. It's best for all parties to just ship him out, let him move on and grow with another team that will actually give him a fair shot and allow the supporters of his in NOLA the chance to breathe.
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Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:06 am to ShamelessPel
He's been way too good to trade.
I don't know what Monty's love affair is with Roberts, but I'd rather those 2 leave on the same plane then to ship Rivers out for nothing.
I don't know what Monty's love affair is with Roberts, but I'd rather those 2 leave on the same plane then to ship Rivers out for nothing.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:08 am to ShamelessPel
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let him move on and grow with another team that will actually give him a fair shot and allow the supporters of his in NOLA the chance to breathe.
He's playing better but ya'll are acting like this dude is killing it.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:10 am to ShamelessPel
I don't think we should trade him but I do agree that he needs more minutes. He is average 15.5 minutes per game but that number shoots up to 19.8 with Jrue being out. He is averaging more points per game in that span (9 ppg) on shooting. He is 36% from 3 which is pretty good. If he would make his free throws, which he only makes at 69%, his ppg would be about 2 points higher based on averages. If got starter minutes he would probably average just as many points if not more than Gordon. But having Gordon and Tyreke hurts his numbers. Bottom line, he'll need more minutes but the improvement is there. His defense is pretty good as well. .5 steals per game in 15 minutes
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 12:13 am
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:11 am to ShamelessPel
If you let rubio of all point guards score on you in a big spurt...I think its time for you to sit your arse down.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:37 am to ShamelessPel
Well Pierre Jackson had 39pts tonight. Thats 97 pts in 2 games.
Also the crowd cheered loudly for him near the end of the 3rd when he finally came in.
Also the crowd cheered loudly for him near the end of the 3rd when he finally came in.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:47 am to ShamelessPel
Goodness. You never stop.
There's a group on this board that seems to love being miserable AT ALL TIMES.
I love how its now, "trade Rivers, the coaching staff hates him. He'd be soooooo awesome playing for a coach that didn't hate him!"
That's junior high school girl logic.
The reality is Rivers is still a well below average player and if he weren't playing for the team who drafted him, and has a vested interest in seeing succeed(for the team's good and management's reputation), he'd be riding the end of someone's bench.
A guy who was all time terrible as a rookie is slowly but surely improving IN SPITE of the organization sabotaging him? Come back to reality, the soap opera shite after every game is unnecessary. Rivers is fine.
There's a group on this board that seems to love being miserable AT ALL TIMES.
I love how its now, "trade Rivers, the coaching staff hates him. He'd be soooooo awesome playing for a coach that didn't hate him!"
That's junior high school girl logic.
The reality is Rivers is still a well below average player and if he weren't playing for the team who drafted him, and has a vested interest in seeing succeed(for the team's good and management's reputation), he'd be riding the end of someone's bench.
quote:And that potential and those improvements have nothing to do with the coaching staff?
Let him go at this point. I have no idea why his potential and improvements are being ignored by the coaching staff. It's best for all parties to just ship him out, let him move on and grow with another team that will actually give him a fair shot and allow the supporters of his in NOLA the chance to breathe.
A guy who was all time terrible as a rookie is slowly but surely improving IN SPITE of the organization sabotaging him? Come back to reality, the soap opera shite after every game is unnecessary. Rivers is fine.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 1:43 am
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:17 am to eyeran
He seems pretty happy in his role imo
I'd still like him to start over roberts right now but the team is 7-3 in its last 10 with 2 close losses so it's working.
And to be honest bennett and porter have looked worse this year than AR did last year.
I'd still like him to start over roberts right now but the team is 7-3 in its last 10 with 2 close losses so it's working.
And to be honest bennett and porter have looked worse this year than AR did last year.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:52 am to eyeran
And here comes the Monty Brigade putting words into people's mouths again.
I just don't see any factual basis that says this team is expecting Austin to contribute anything to them long term. What exactly is wrong with that?
He is probably more trade-able than you give him credit for on name recognition alone, let alone that his play has actually shown steady improvement lately.
Incorrect extremism at it's finest. He's 21.
I'm advocating trading my 2nd favorite Pelican and that is somehow whining? This is the time to sell. He has been improving and continued improvement on the court seems unlikely when Jrue comes back post ASB and he starts racking up DNP-CDs again.
Watch a game instead of gazing at box scores with your Cracker Jack Prize Quality opinions for once please. Your lack of anything insightful is painfully obvious.
At times, yes. The kid we saw tonight in the second half was a completely different animal.
No, trade Rivers, maybe we get a late 1st for a team looking to take a flyer on him
A 20-30 1st hardly seems unreasonable at this point.
Seriously, please tell me how he is going to get ANY playing time when Jrue gets back short of us trading Gordon (seems unlikely this season, maybe offseason?) and maybe playing backup 2 minutes behind Morrow.
The only minutes Rivers got with Jrue healthy were at the expense of Roberts. Which at this point the idea of that happening is downright laughable.
I just don't see any factual basis that says this team is expecting Austin to contribute anything to them long term. What exactly is wrong with that?
He is probably more trade-able than you give him credit for on name recognition alone, let alone that his play has actually shown steady improvement lately.
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The reality is Rivers is still a well below average player and if he weren't playing for the team who drafted him, and has a vested interest in seeing succeed(for the team's good and management's reputation), he'd be riding the end of someone's bench.
Incorrect extremism at it's finest. He's 21.
I'm advocating trading my 2nd favorite Pelican and that is somehow whining? This is the time to sell. He has been improving and continued improvement on the court seems unlikely when Jrue comes back post ASB and he starts racking up DNP-CDs again.
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eyeran
Watch a game instead of gazing at box scores with your Cracker Jack Prize Quality opinions for once please. Your lack of anything insightful is painfully obvious.
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Rivers is still a well below average player
At times, yes. The kid we saw tonight in the second half was a completely different animal.
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I love how its now, "trade Rivers, the coaching staff hates him. He'd be soooooo awesome playing for a coach that didn't hate him!"
No, trade Rivers, maybe we get a late 1st for a team looking to take a flyer on him
A 20-30 1st hardly seems unreasonable at this point.
Seriously, please tell me how he is going to get ANY playing time when Jrue gets back short of us trading Gordon (seems unlikely this season, maybe offseason?) and maybe playing backup 2 minutes behind Morrow.
The only minutes Rivers got with Jrue healthy were at the expense of Roberts. Which at this point the idea of that happening is downright laughable.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 4:08 am to LosLobos111
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He seems pretty happy in his role imo
I agree. He's not a low character kid. He has to get frustrated when he's playing well and gets yanked. He still supports the team and danced around like a fool (good thing) when Morrow nailed that dagger.
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I'd still like him to start over roberts right now but the team is 7-3 in its last 10 with 2 close losses so it's working
See, I would like to see him start, but am perfectly fine and understand Roberts starting. I see the rationale. Roberts for all intensive purposes has shown in the past he can handle the starting PG duties.
My sticking point is that if Rivers is clearly playing better, he should be given the opportunity to earn playing time out there. It's doubly frustrating when Monty preaches defense all day every day and somehow ignores what an atrocious defender Roberts is.
1 of those losses came against the defending WC Champs when we had them on the ropes. Rivers/Morrow didn't even sniff the court in the last 6 minutes in what would have been arguably our biggest win of the season. A Spurs win without Holiday/Anderson/Evans (5min than re-injury) would have been massive considering I think we win that TWolves game too if they let Davis suit up.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:25 am to ShamelessPel
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Watch a game instead of gazing at box scores with your Cracker Jack Prize Quality opinions for once please. Your lack of anything insightful is painfully obvious.
That's silly. Eyeran is easily one of the best posters here. He is a poster willing to talk hoops and explain his reasoning. If you don't like his thoughts, extend the same courtesy. No need to be a dick.
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I just don't see any factual basis that says this team is expecting Austin to contribute anything to them long term
If they continue to make him the primary creator, I agree. His decision making with the ball is spotty at best. His saving grace on offense is that he doesn't turn the ball over, but his forays into the paint usually end with a bad shot.
He needs to be off ball- he can catch and shoot. He is a D and 3 guard and there is a place for him on this team long term with Holiday, Gordon, Evans around. It would just take breaking the assigned role he has been given.
Rivers is improving daily. He is still, in total, a below average player. That doesn't mean he has no value or can't get better.
The Roberts/Rivers debate is tiresome. Both guys are playing well right now. Both guys have pretty clear flaws. Rivers clearly has the best chance to be better, but he also needs the most protection.
Monty finally adjusted by subbing them in/out the last minute of the game. Let's hope he continues to be that smart and flexible.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:10 am to ShamelessPel
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Roberts for all intensive purposes
Yikes
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:30 am to corndeaux
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The Roberts/Rivers debate is tiresome. Both guys are playing well right now. Both guys have pretty clear flaws. Rivers clearly has the best chance to be better, but he also needs the most protection.
And we won the game.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:05 am to corndeaux
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The Roberts/Rivers debate is tiresome.
Yep. I've always liked Rivers' effort and "potential", but, hell, if I remember correctly, a lot of people were praising Roberts' improvement last year. While Austin looks like he'll be better in the long run, right now they both have their moments . . . good and bad.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:11 am to ShamelessPel
quote:Literally been years since i've missed a game, but, ok.
Watch a game instead of gazing at box scores with your Cracker Jack Prize Quality opinions for once please. Your lack of anything insightful is painfully obvious.
You just seem to enjoy whining, won or lose.
One of the nicest wins of the year and the one post you make the entire night is to complain about how they're somehow wronging Rivers. On a night when he was given plenty opportunities to contribute, and did, at times. On a night when the guy who he's competing for minutes with hit some of the biggest shots of the game. Your lone contribution was more of this ridiculous "the staff hates Rivers," nonsense?
Your entire post history is a trail of tears. Lighten up. Nobody's trying to ruin Rivers' career.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:14 am to eyeran
I am rewatching the game now. Rubio just blocked Rivers' shot. Roberts' fault?
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:27 am to corndeaux
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poster willing to talk hoops and explain his reasoning. If you don't like his thoughts, extend the same courtesy. No need to be a dick.
Hmmmm that type of poster sounds mighty familiar from back in the day...
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:38 am to eyeran
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On a night when the guy who he's competing for minutes with hit some of the biggest shots of the game. Your lone contribution was more of this ridiculous "the staff hates Rivers," nonsense?
See, this is why I don't think you know much about what you're talking about. You fail to mention the latter part where he leaves Rubio wide open with no one within 10 feet of him for 3, gets caught defending PnR poorly and sends Rubio to the line for 2, and gets beat to the rim twice, one of which Rubio made, one of which he didn't. All in a 2 minute span. There are 2 ends of the basketball court.
I am sorry I am at the games not participating in the game threads rah-rahing online?
If you think I'm the only one that was thinking it, you're sadly mistaken as Roberts actually got boo'd by some of the fans in the arena when he came in (as noted by other posters, not me).
How is finally coming to the realization that Rivers has no place on this team long-term whining out of curiosity? I think we could easily get a late 1st for him at this point and draft a position of need on a fresh rookie contract. What the hell is the problem with that?
As much as yall want to come in here throwing rocks at me, I don't see a single one of you coming close to proving me wrong that Rivers has a role on this team with Jrue healthy.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:43 am to quail man
quote:#freejester?
Hmmmm that type of poster sounds mighty familiar from back in the day...
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:47 am to ShamelessPel
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You fail to mention the latter part where he leaves Rubio wide open with no one within 10 feet of him for 3
How dare he leave a marksman like Rubio open!
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