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Voter fraud: We got proof it's easy

Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:14 am
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:14 am
Voter fraud: We got proof it's easy | National Review Online.com.

Just how many votes by fraud is ok ? Maybe 3-5 votes, or what would you be comfortable with in voter fraud ? That would be a limited amount, but how about 61 votes by fraud, would you think that could be to many in one local election ?

The board of elections wants to prosecute those doing the voter fraud rather than looking at just how it was possible to do the fraud.

Photo ID can solve all these problems.

Liberals who oppose efforts to prevent voter fraud claim that there is no fraud - or at least not that involves voting at the polls.

But New York City's watchdog Department of Investigations had just provided the latest evidence of how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places last fall and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials ; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote. Those who did cast a vote wrote in “ John Test ” so as to not affect the outcome of any contest. DOI published its findings two weeks ago in a searing 70-page report accusing the city's Board of Elections of incompetence, waste, nepotism, and lax procedures.

Good-government groups are gobsmacked at Souma's refusal to smell the stench of corruption in his patronage - riddled empire. “ They should focus not on assigning blame to others, but on taking responsibility for solving the problems,” Dick Dadey of the watchdog group Citizens Union told the Daily News. “ It is a case of the Board of Elections passing the buck.”

DOI officials respond that the use of undercover agents is routine in anti-corruption probes and that people should carefully read the 70-page report they've filled before criticizing it. They are surprised ( REALLY ?!!! ) how little media attention their report has received.

You'd think more media outlets would have been interested, because the sloppiness revealed in the DOI report is mind boggling. Young undercover agents were able to vote using the names of people three times their age, people who in fact were dead. In one example, a 24 year old female agent gave the name of of someone who had died in 2012 at age 87; the workers at the Manhatten polling site gave her a ballot, no questions asked. Even the two cases where poll workers turned away an investigator raised eyebrows. In the first case, a poll worker on Staten Island walked outside with the undercover investigator who had just been refused a ballot; the “ voter ” was advised to go to the polling place near where he used to live and “ play dumb ” in order to vote.

In the second case, the investigator was stopped from voting only because the felon whose name he was using was the son of the elected official at the polling place.


NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG.

FORWARD BEACHES.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33014 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:18 am to
Link?
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:21 am to
At the top.

USE GOOGLE.


We got proof its easy/ National Review Online.

The stories name/online magazine.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9112 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:31 am to
Honestly, the most shocking part of this story is that it was New York City that carried out the investigation.

"No shite" was my thought to the rest of the story.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118854 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:44 am to
Not surprised at all. It's how Democrats roll.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:00 am to
Actually this was not NYC, but a watchdog group called, the Department if Investigations.

At least that is the way it seems to me.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9112 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:19 am to
Here's a link to their site; LINK

It's a part of NYC's government.

Between that investigation and the advertisement that NY is offering NO taxes for TEN YEARS on businesses that open up or expand there, I'm convinced hell is about to freeze over.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:26 am to
Cool, I just figured no way in hell NYC actually did this operation.

Thanks.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9112 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:29 am to
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 3:24 am to
A liberal is mad that illegal voting was exposed.

LOL.

Down vote facts
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 4:44 am to
So it is easy, huh? How many people were involved in these 61 "instances"? One would presume that only one tester could scam the system at one polling place or would only attempt to do so because trying to vote multiple times at the same polling place could easily lead to their being caught. SO....this particular "test" most likely required 63 people being convinced to commit a crime and take the time to vote. In the precincts that ya'll are particularly concerned about the process can take several hours, and in precincts that are not as busy the chances of being caught are much greater.

Barrack Obama won the White House in 2012 with about 3.5 Million votes.....is any one suggesting that 3.5 million people were involved in a voter fraud conspiracy? If not 3.5 Million how many? 1.75 million people who voted twice? Either number is difficult to imagine, especially in light of there being almost no reports of any suspected wrongdoing.

If...and this is a big IF....the democrats are able to pull off such a conspiracy then why the frick would you want a party in power who wasn't able to stop it? I mean a conspiracy involving millions of people would have to be easy to spot if one were truly interested in doing so...apparently the GOP is not interested.

Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3493 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 5:37 am to
Dawg, the election was decided by 'electoral votes' not total votes. If not then we'd be talking about everything being "Gore's fault" wouldn't we? Personally don't think there was a big conspiracy going on but to deny some voter fraud, well is just being naive. And in the close states who knows if there wasn't some tinkering going on. The dems are notorious for busing in folks from nursing homes, mental hospitals, etc. and 'helping' them out in the ballot box or giving them 'assistance' with absentee ballots.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 6:24 am to
The people that oppose ID at the polling places are supporting fraud tacitly. How about this idea to give to the people of a state to ponder as a means of preventing fraud, utilize the same dye on a finger that was done in Iraq several years ago. Vote, place a finger in the dye, and the dye will react under a certain wave length of light. Try to commit fraud, arrest the SOB on the spot.
Posted by lsu_tiger_az
AZ/LA
Member since Mar 2004
30404 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 6:36 am to
quote:

But New York City's watchdog Department of Investigations had just provided the latest evidence of how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places last fall and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials ; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote. Those who did cast a vote wrote in “ John Test ” so as to not affect the outcome of any contest. DOI published its findings two weeks ago in a searing 70-page report accusing the city's Board of Elections of incompetence, waste, nepotism, and lax procedures.



The next step will be the DOJ hiring the New Black Panthers to intimidate any White voters that dare to go to the polling place...





Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:04 am to
quote:

everything being "Gore's fault" wouldn't we?



No we wouldn't Gore LOST every one of the challenges/recounts of votes that were made. At least thirty seven recounts were done by different arms of the media and Bush won everyone of them. Gore and friends wanted to cherry pick the counties where they thought failure of the ballots lost the election for him. I voted on that same format of ballot in South Carolina and learned in a minute what to do with my ballot, every other time was on the machines of Louisiana which were shown to be easy to manipulate with a coat hangar.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:46 am to
quote:

SO....this particular "test" most likely required 63 people being convinced to commit a crime and take the time to vote.


This particular "test" was performed by undercover agents of a governmental agency. It is quite common for such agents to commit crimes (such as purchasing drugs, or setting up false businesses to take in stolen goods) in order to perform a sting operation.

You surely can't be suggesting that investigators working for the public can't be allowed to do their jobs?
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32654 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:52 am to
quote:

Barrack Obama won the White House in 2012 with about 3.5 Million votes.....is any one suggesting that 3.5 million people were involved in a voter fraud conspiracy? If not 3.5 Million how many? 1.75 million people who voted twice? Either number is difficult to imagine, especially in light of there being almost no reports of any suspected wrongdoing.


Is this similar to the Powerman "that amount of money is not significant (and hence not worthy of action)" defense?
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 7:52 am
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 8:23 am to
According to you, blood moons are a few months away, and that means the end of the world. So we'll never have another election. So why the concern about voter fraud?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34953 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 8:27 am to
quote:

According to you, blood moons are a few months away, and that means the end of the world. So we'll never have another election. So why the concern about voter fraud?


Coffee...first, VB.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 8:29 am to
Election fraud is a far more serious issue than voter fraud. When can I expect a National Review article on how incredibly easy it is for a software company to rig the vote counts within a proprietary voting tabulator?
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