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Big, strong, athletic beast with flexible-hips at DT to get to QB

Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted by Football_Freak
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:46 pm
Chad Lavalais. Kyle Williams. Glenn Dorsey. Ricky Jean Francois

These guys are super hard to come by.

We haven't had that guy of late, even though Logan, Brockers and others were solid.

Anyone in the pipeline like this?

Valentine? Lealaimatafao? Others?
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 9:50 pm
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25943 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:49 pm to
Willis
Posted by Football_Freak
Member since May 2012
2410 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

Willis


?
Posted by sammyptiger
Member since Nov 2012
1037 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

Willis
This hurts. But so true. Valentine is the answer to the OPs question, IMO. We need to land him.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14973 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:03 pm to
Valentine is not the answer. He's a run stuffer
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12860 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:05 pm to
We may have one on the roster now by the name of Greg Gilmore. I think many underestimate him (and Bain) because they didn't come in and play immediately.

Is Valentine? With technique coaching I'd gamble and say he probably can be. Most rave about his athleticism. Combine that with his size, and you have a good starting recipe.

Posted by Joe Mantegna
knoxville
Member since Oct 2007
9296 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

I think many underestimate him (and Bain) because they didn't come in and play immediately.


Bain is going to be a beast.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12371 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:20 pm to
Godchaux. This is where McDowell would have been helpful as well. I question his weight gaining ability like most of you but there is no question about his ability to rush. Also think Speaks could be that guy. Hes a better athlete than Willis
Posted by IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Arlington, TX
Member since Aug 2011
4516 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:23 pm to
Brockers was more than solid, but I agree we haven't that push in the middle since he left. Nevis was solid when he got his opportunity.
Posted by AGENT225
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
663 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

Bain is going to be a beast.


Bain might have the highest ceiling of all the young DT's.
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2924 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:57 pm to
On the surface, I wonder the same thing you do, but I also wonder if it is partially a matter of scheme under Chavis, as opposed to a significant talent difference. Lavalais, etc. really shot the gap and were disruptors, which was satisfying to watch. Perhaps-- now-- Chavis' scheme depends on them holding their lane more. I'm not well versed on the strategy and tactics various defenses employ, so honestly don't know... I'm just adding this as a potential reason Logan, Brockers, Anthony Johnson, Ego, etc. don't appear to be as disruptive, which I think is partially what you're hoping to see.

A potential example of this idea would be Tyson Jackson (I know Chavis wasn't DC at the time). When Jackson was a junior he seemed tremendously disruptive at DE. The next year, during an interview, he said something to the effect that the coaches asked him to modify his game and play the position differently for his senior year. I regrettably can't remember exactly what he said and what he meant, but the results-- on the surface-- were that it seemed like he was in the backfield less and his stats for sacks and TFL were a little lower as a senior. Yet, he was deemed to have had a good season and ended up being selected 3rd overall in the draft. I know the draft places a lot of emphasis on measurables and potential, so it's hard to determine how much of a role production plays in where a player is drafted. My point is that I suspect the coaches were asking Tyson to play contain a little more instead of trying to dynamically blow every play up. Similarly, now, it is possible that talent may not be the reason we don't see the same style of DT play we used to see. Considering that LSU does seem to have success stopping teams like A&M, which nobody else seems to be able to do, it isn't necessarily bad. And it doesn't appear to be hurting the players draft position either, considering Brockers, etc.

On another note, I just watched the videos for Valentine and Lealaimatafao back to back. I don't know how to evaluate talent so can't say which is better. I believe Valentine is rated higher. But one thing that stuck out to me is that Lealaimatafao seemed really strong and when he got his hands on the ball carrier, that person went down-- period.
Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
R.I.P. SGT Nelson
Member since May 2004
18063 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:23 pm to
IMO we need one guy to be the quick athletic DT and another like Valentine to eat up blocks, plug the run lanes, and push back the middle of the line on pass plays.
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
107462 posts
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:40 am to
I don't recall RJF doing much more at LSU than belonging to the "All Potential" team. Glad that he's been able to live up to some of that potential in the league.

Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10678 posts
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:29 pm to
I'll take two. Thanks.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:46 pm to


Remember the name.... Bain.


And also, its extremely rare to have a DT that is able to get after the QB.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6887 posts
Posted on 1/12/14 at 4:04 pm to
I am sure Gilmore was red-shirted, but did not know if Bain was--does someone know?

Like others, I am still concerned that LSU has so few DL and OL in this class with just over three weeks left before NSD.
Posted by Football_Freak
Member since May 2012
2410 posts
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:17 pm to
Valentine's hips are pretty flexible, and he seems to meet the other criteria also.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66344 posts
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

We haven't had that guy of late, even though Logan, Brockers and others were solid.


They are what we look for in DTs in Chavis' system.
Brockers was a monster and is killing it in the NFL now. More so than Lavalais, Dorsey, and Rickey. (Kyle Willliams is doing really well)
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21367 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:20 am to
I wanna watch someone ask Kyle Williams if he has flexible hips.
Posted by Football_Freak
Member since May 2012
2410 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:24 pm to
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I wanna watch someone ask Kyle Williams if he has flexible hips.


relatively speaking, when at LSU, he did. He could quickly swerve his body (around his mid section) and this helped his athelticism to get his into the backfield pretty quick.
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