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Are rental properties worth it?

Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:30 pm
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:30 pm
I'm just looking around at some units in Metairie. For instance, a 5 unit setup that reportedly brings in about $4500. Rough estimate should have one netting around $2k.

Pros & Cons of dealing with rentals?
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 3:33 pm
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11672 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 4:22 pm to
No input?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51894 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 4:23 pm to
Ask Nick Saban.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11672 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 4:26 pm to
Haha. I'm talking about a $500k investment. Not multi-millions.
Posted by DontTazeMeBro
Gatlinburg, TN
Member since Oct 2011
152 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 4:48 pm to
Do it. I have 4 rentals now and love em.
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 5:35 pm to
Do more research about the property market in the area, don't just listen to the owner about the rental income.

Pros: Money
Cons: Bad tenants

There are more of both obviously but those are big ones.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 5:38 pm to
I own an apartment in Iowa. During the real estate boom it was tough. Even then, the losses helped my taxes out. Now it is profitable. I'll likely sell, as real estate is somewhat of a stone tied to your neck, and I'm at the point I'd rather concentrate on my real business.

I do believe tangible assets, including real estate are more important now then ever. We are printing a lot of paper. Printing paper. Issuing bonds. taking the paper we print to buy the bonds we issue. Get where I'm going? Land is always there. There is only so much. While it can be borrowed against, unlike Uncle Sug, you need to pay what you borrow back. And unlike Uncle Sug, you cannot legally print paper. Farmland. Land next to the ocean (within reason).

I just talked myself out of selling.

Posted by StrangeBrew
Salvation Army-Thanks Obama
Member since May 2009
18183 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 8:23 pm to
REIT all the benefits without the hassles
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by BullredsRus
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
754 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:59 pm to
I think they're worth it. Sure you will have some headaches, but at the end of the day the tenants are paying off your investment for you so you just deal with those headaches. I own 2 units and looking for a third.
Posted by brbowhunter
baton rouge
Member since Apr 2013
851 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:46 pm to
its deff worth it. you only put in decent people and the place will take care of its self. also make the deposit amount one months rent in case you have to make repairs.

i almost bought one not too long ago. it was 12 units and would net me 2 grand a month and be paid off in 9 years. i still may buy it. its only 475k and located in mid city baton rouge.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67006 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:52 pm to
It all depends on 5 things:
1. your breakeven period
2. your maintenance costs
3. your tenants
4. your tenants
5. and your tenants

If you have shitty tenants that routinely don't pay their rent and break shite, you will lose money. If you manage to only rent to good tenants and charge around market rate, you will make money.

First, you have to look at purchase price, anticipated revenue, filling expenses (how much are you going to have to spend on advertising to keep the units filled), and maintenance costs. Based on this, you can compute your payback period. If that period is acceptable, move on to the next round of determinations.

The next key issue is to look into whether you want to manage the properties yourself or hire someone to do that for you. Managing them yourself can be time consuming, but hiring someone to manage them for you costs money. Also, hiring bad building managers will end up costing you lots of money in both the long and short run. You also need to decide how you are going to maintain your building. Are you personally going to come over there and fix stuff when things inevitably break? Are you going to have a guy for that? Those things cost time and money.

Last is tenant selection. You have to screen your tenants and screen them well. A-hole tenants will cost you tens of thousands of dollars in property damage and lost rent. You can't sue them because they have no money to pay you and will just skip town, leaving you with a destroyed property unit filled with worthless crap that you have to dispose of on your own dime. Running credit checks on potential renters can help, but it doesn't reduce your risks entirely.

There are two pricing techniques to reduce your chances of renting to trash. One is to price your rent higher than the trash can afford. Generally, you do this by adding valuable amenities to attract a higher class renter that will be willing to pay the premium cost to rent for the added comfort. With charging a higher rate, you run the risk of reducing demand after spending a lot of money on upgrades. Empty units can't make you money.

The second strategy is to charge below market value so that you always have a high demand for renters and then pick and choose from them the ones that you think have the best odds not to be trashy people. Credit checks are important in this strategy as well as being able to read people. One thing you must do when using this strategy is create a lease that gives you the ability to easily and quickly evict tenants for any reason and to monitor them regularly to check for damaging behavior. Also, make sure the contract encourages them to call you or the building manager at the first sign of maintenance issues. If they follow that policy, it could save you thousands in maintenance costs by fixing problems before they get worse.

Hey, I hope this helps you with your decision. Owning rental units can be a great source of income or a financial money-pit. It's all in how you manage risk and expenses.
Posted by nogoodjr
Member since Feb 2006
795 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 12:35 am to
500k to make 24k return a year? That's a lot of headache for that poor of a return.

500k at 8% return is 40k and all you need to do is rebalance your portfolio a couple times a year.

If I was going to put that size investment into anything, I would want a ROI significantly larger than the market. Depending on the risks associated with the investment or business I would want a 16-20% return to put up with the hassle.

Is 2k a month the total ROI or just the net cash flow monthly ?
Posted by Iowa4430
Member since Dec 2013
208 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 12:46 am to
Never had the stomach for it. Several times I've taken tours of potential rentals and after seeing how people treat others property I just couldn't do it;

I know many that are really successful in it and will likely end up with a much higher net worth than I will but day to day I just can't deal with it.

I guess I just hate people and how dirty and disrespectful they are. It takes a special kind of person. and that's just not me.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Get where I'm going? Land is always there. There is only so much. While it can be borrowed against, unlike Uncle Sug, you need to pay what you borrow back. And unlike Uncle Sug, you cannot legally print paper. Farmland. Land next to the ocean (within reason).


I have never seen any evidence that land is a low risk investment especially over the long term. Also land carries holding costs not encountered in equities, property taxes must be paid just for owning land, insurance against personal liability is required. Then there are things like insect damage to timber, unknown environmental issues, or possible losing the land to eminent domain long before your total return is realized. As far as land next to the ocean, anybody that bought ocean property along the Florida coast 10 years ago would disagree.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 1:09 pm to
My next door neighbor is a slum lord. He's been doing it for 40 years. He's got 50 units...all cheap properties he bought for a song.

He said the key is to be handy with repairs and have a good assistant who can do repairs. You also need patience and to expect idiocy with some people. I asked him who the worst tenant he ever had. He said a guy decided to move out of town. The day before he left he chainsawed down a 100 year old hickory tree in the back yard for firewood at his new residence.
Posted by LSUengineer12
The Best Side
Member since Dec 2011
1850 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 1:50 pm to
I just invested in my first property in April of this year. Bought a trailer that's on a lot in WBR. I've had little problems with my tenants (Few like these) and everything is flowing smoothly. I've put $630 into the property (All paid from the rent)

My Dad owns 40+ units in WBR. There are absolutely headaches involved with it, but if you can put up with it all it's all worth it.
You'll have tenants who tear your shite up, getting rent from is like pulling teeth, will leave without notice, and don't really care what condition they leave or have the place in.
Then you'll have others who are complete angels. Pay on or before the due date, leave everything spotless, and take care of everything.
You'll find that the latter is harder to come by.

All in all. The money is worth it if you come across a good deal. Aiming for 10% r.o.i/yr (after taxes and insurance) is a good rule of thumb.

ETA: My dad and I are both very handy and fix mostly everything ourselves. That helps tremendously in this "industry"
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

I have never seen any evidence that land is a low risk investment especially over the long term. Also land carries holding costs not encountered in equities, property taxes must be paid just for owning land, insurance against personal liability is required. Then there are things like insect damage to timber, unknown environmental issues, or possible losing the land to eminent domain long before your total return is realized. As far as land next to the ocean, anybody that bought ocean property along the Florida coast 10 years ago would disagree.


I'm not sure I agree. My Florida real estate has been doing fine in terms of both property value, and income.
Posted by Brian Wilson
Member since Mar 2012
2016 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:15 pm to
They're worth it. Just not for everybody.
Posted by Brian Wilson
Member since Mar 2012
2016 posts
Posted on 12/13/13 at 2:16 pm to
Also, not just any rental property is worth it. It has to be the right one.
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 2:16 pm
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