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re: If you could build the perfect deer rifle
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:41 pm to Bama and Beer
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:41 pm to Bama and Beer
I shoot a .308 I don't think you're a nancy, you probably had a bad rest and may have been shooting a heavier load. I've shot .243's that I swore kicked like a .45 Gov. It has a lot to do with the gun and the situation.
The main reason I have the .308 was because of a friend that has a SISK that will drive nails at 250+ yards. I saw him free hand shoot a coyote at 200yds that was at a trot in the head. Now my Savage is about $2k less than his Sisk, but I'm not OT rich either.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:37 pm to Judge Smails
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Not following you... please elaborate. I realize this is not a truly "like" comparison, but in commonly available cartridges the .257 has a higher velocity and more energy.
I think the .308 is a better round for shots out to 100 yds. I just like the heavier round. I also like the shorter action on the shorter round. The barrel on a .308 is shorter as well. That all equals a lighter more manageable rifle.
These aspects make it a better all around deer rifle.
The .257 is a great round. I have one and love it. I consider it more of a bean field rifle. Meaning it's better suited for longer shots.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:57 pm to beHop
I can simplify this process alot.
Sako custom deluxe in 6.5x55 swede with a leupold mark 4 on top.
Sako custom deluxe in 6.5x55 swede with a leupold mark 4 on top.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 6:02 pm to beHop
Cal: .308
Stock: A high end synthetic with some custom work done on it
Action/barrell: Stainless Rem 700 22"
Optics: One of the variable Swarovskis in 50mm
Stock: A high end synthetic with some custom work done on it
Action/barrell: Stainless Rem 700 22"
Optics: One of the variable Swarovskis in 50mm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:04 pm to faxis
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.308
Clear cut winner at this point.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:20 pm to bbvdd
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These aspects make it a better all around deer rifle.
Gotcha, and I agree with the 100 yard statement as well as the weight, recoil, and ammo availability/price comparison.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:15 pm to Judge Smails
Tikka in either .25-06 or 7mm-08 with Zeiss Conquest. Ive got both of these rifles and they are perfect for my hunting
Posted on 12/5/13 at 10:21 pm to beHop
Lots of folks saying 308. I'd imagine if I had to choose one deer rifle forever I think I'd pick a 30-06.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 10:41 pm to SportTiger1
I've been going with the 30-06 since I was a little kid and I've killed tons of deer with it. Literally. But if it was strictly a deer rifle...
No reason not to go .308 and plenty of reasons TO do it. There's really no other caliber with that many bullets made for it or that much ballistic information available for it. It's short action so it's more accurate/lighter. Recoil is less. Velocity is real close. Like I said, there's just no good reason not to go .308 when you're talking deer.
Now the idea of a moose or grizzly bear with it would make me want to buy another gun where the 30-06 I'd have a little more confidence there with heavier bullets, but like I said, velocities are similar enough where it's not that different.
No reason not to go .308 and plenty of reasons TO do it. There's really no other caliber with that many bullets made for it or that much ballistic information available for it. It's short action so it's more accurate/lighter. Recoil is less. Velocity is real close. Like I said, there's just no good reason not to go .308 when you're talking deer.
Now the idea of a moose or grizzly bear with it would make me want to buy another gun where the 30-06 I'd have a little more confidence there with heavier bullets, but like I said, velocities are similar enough where it's not that different.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:11 pm to faxis
You could play the "why not" or "why so" game all day. I just looked up the ballistics for the 25-06 just cause I haven't in a while and the quarter bore intrigues me. I remembered why I have never given it real thought. Why? Why a 25 over a 270. Why a 270 over a 30? Usually all the "why" discussions boil down to "I started with" or end with "I've killed a lot of deer with". My personal pet round is a 270win. I grew up shooting one and my dad and I will still tote a 270 over all our other rifles most of the time, but the 300 wsm is finding a warm place in my heart lately.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:31 pm to INFIDEL
I love the .270 because it's practically the same round. But when it comes down to it, there's more choices for the .308/.311/30-06 in bullet weights.
Not that I ever actually use that. If it's just a deer rifle, there's a lot of rounds that would do pretty much equally well. Any or the .260-.300+ rounds will do an admirable job of turning a deer into table fare almost instantly as long as the velocity is right and the weight is not too high.
edited to add, FOR THE DISTANCE
Really got nothing that says one does more than another on deer. Just love the variety of rounds with the .308 and the short action. Highly versatile.
But I hunt with my 30-06 because my .308 weighs a freaking ton.
Not that I ever actually use that. If it's just a deer rifle, there's a lot of rounds that would do pretty much equally well. Any or the .260-.300+ rounds will do an admirable job of turning a deer into table fare almost instantly as long as the velocity is right and the weight is not too high.
edited to add, FOR THE DISTANCE
Really got nothing that says one does more than another on deer. Just love the variety of rounds with the .308 and the short action. Highly versatile.
But I hunt with my 30-06 because my .308 weighs a freaking ton.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:41 pm to faxis
I probably like my 300 wsm more because if the rifle then the round. The xbolt is just a well thought out rifle. If it wasn't so damn pretty I would probably hunt with it a lot more. Then again I think a "deer rifle" needs to be blued and riding in a nice chunk of wood to be a classic "deer rifle".
The stainless 270 semi custom with the woodland camo mcmilan stock is just a foul weather killer.
The stainless 270 semi custom with the woodland camo mcmilan stock is just a foul weather killer.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 12:13 am to beHop
Christensen .30-378
SB glass
SB glass
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 12:14 am
Posted on 12/6/13 at 12:13 am to beHop
Eta: Dp
Overkill and I love it
Overkill and I love it
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 12:21 am
Posted on 12/6/13 at 5:11 am to MrCoachKlein
If money is not an option
Hill Country Rifles
I also like the classic look of this rifle as well.
Hill Country Rifles
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This is our new Harvester rifle based on a stainless steel Winchester Model 70 action and 24" factory barrel in 270 WSM. The MOA trigger is tuned to a crisp 3.0 pounds. The rifle is fully Accurized with our alumnum pillar and glass bedded action, into a Precision Stock Works Rifleman stock, Olive with Tan and Black specs, with 1" Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad at standard length of pull. The factory bottom metal has been replaced with a custom set from Pacific Tool and Gauge. All metal is coated in a tough rust proof Graphite Black Cerakote finish. Rifle weight is 7.5 pounds. Barrel break in is done and accuracy is excellent! Three-shot groups measure .309" at 100 yards with factory Nosler 140 grain Accubond ammunition!
I also like the classic look of this rifle as well.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 5:15 am
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:07 am to MrCoachKlein
No such thing as overkill. There is simply dead, and not dead. Degrees of death only exists in the Princess Bride.
To answer the OP, I would choose a Remington Sendero in 300 RUM. you can hand load ammo to produce velocities similar to 30-06, or to replicate a howitzer.
Glass would be either Swarovski or Zeiss.
On a budget? Browning x-Bolt with Zeiss Conquest on top.
To answer the OP, I would choose a Remington Sendero in 300 RUM. you can hand load ammo to produce velocities similar to 30-06, or to replicate a howitzer.
Glass would be either Swarovski or Zeiss.
On a budget? Browning x-Bolt with Zeiss Conquest on top.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 7:07 am to ShowMeWhatYouGotRaji
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No such thing as overkill. There is simply dead, and not dead. Degrees of death only exists in the Princess Bride.
I laughed.
I tend to agree with. I usually don't think of overkill as being on the killing end. I've seen too many people shooting magnums and being so scared of the recoil that they can't hit shite. If you can shoot it accurately and afford the ammo, then go for it.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 7:19 am to beHop
The 7mm 08 and 260 are as good a pure deer rounds as there are, in my opinion.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 7:29 am to OTIS2
I've shot a 300mag for over 15yrs. Recoil has never been a problem to me. I love shooting it.
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