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re: Will Benson's "Win-now" mode cripple the franchise?
Posted on 11/28/13 at 4:25 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 11/28/13 at 4:25 pm to RonBurgundy
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I thought the same thing at first (I was in the MCW camp)...but now I believe we have a top 10 player in the association. Maybe top 5 in a year or so.
You need more than one star to win in the NBA.
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Couple that with enough guard talent around him, we are a rebounder away from seriously contending in the next 2 years. Adjust the touches to feature Davis more and we near the top of the association.
We can be a nice team in 2 years. We're miles away and with limited roster flexibilty from being a serious contender.
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 4:29 pm to FootballNostradamus
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You need more than one star to win in the NBA.
Yeah,but Davis is more than just a "star" he's a superstar in the making. There is enough guard talent to compete.
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We can be a nice team in 2 years. We're miles away and with limited roster flexibilty from being a serious contender.
I disagree. Anthony Davis if he continues on pace will be a top 3 player in the league in two years, the guards are more than enough. It's simply about getting a solid back up big.
Truth be told, if AD could develop into "enough of a 5" to at least negate the natural advantages the Howards,Gasols,Hibberts and Lopezes of the world, than the Pels are in good shape.
This post was edited on 11/28/13 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/28/13 at 4:39 pm to FootballNostradamus
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We can be a nice team in 2 years. We're miles away and with limited roster flexibilty from being a serious contender
This by all accounts bizarre roster that has only played a handful of games together has a top 10 offense right now. The defense is troublesome, but a pterodactyl with a jet pack is patrolling the paint and he is still learning.
They aren't contenders, but there is a seed of a very good team here.
That said, I will be shocked if 2 of Anderson, Evans, Gordon, Holiday are still with the team by the time Davis signs his extension. They've got their alpha dog, but all those guys are 3rd bananas at best.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 5:32 pm to RonBurgundy
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I disagree. Anthony Davis if he continues on pace will be a top 3 player in the league in two years, the guards are more than enough. It's simply about getting a solid back up big.
Truth be told, if AD could develop into "enough of a 5" to at least negate the natural advantages the Howards,Gasols,Hibberts and Lopezes of the world, than the Pels are in good shape.
Eh, Lebron was the best player in the league and he couldn't win without Wade and Bosh. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq and Gasol.
The closest thing to a team with one superstar would be the Spurs and even they had a three-headed monster that rotated the load. I'm not saying we're doomed forever I just think it was an incredibly shortsighted decision.
Let's not even address the fact that if Noel returns healthy it was 100% the dumbest move we could have made. Noel being out is a tailormade situation for us to suck hard this year and get Noel back next year plus a Wiggins/Parker/Smart.
Are you f'n kidding me? That would be by far the best young trio since Westbrook, Durant and Harden.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 6:22 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Eh, Lebron was the best player in the league and he couldn't win without Wade and Bosh. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq and Gasol.
The closest thing to a team with one superstar would be the Spurs and even they had a three-headed monster that rotated the load. I'm not saying we're doomed forever I just think it was an incredibly shortsighted decision.
Let's not even address the fact that if Noel returns healthy it was 100% the dumbest move we could have made. Noel being out is a tailormade situation for us to suck hard this year and get Noel back next year plus a Wiggins/Parker/Smart.
Are you f'n kidding me? That would be by far the best young trio since Westbrook, Durant and Harden.
You seem to have a hard and fast opinion. Trust me, your screen name aside, neither you nor anyone on this board is a basketball Nostradamus. Noel was/is a huge risk who, in his limited college career, showed nothing close to Anthony Davis. Wiggins, in spite of all the amateur white adolescent boys jizzing in their pants, is far from a proven NBA can't miss.
This current Pelicans roster is far from final. It's just a start. We've got our lottery pick franchise already. The rest will likely come from trades and, yes, FA signings. The roster does have tradeable assets, and FA's will come for the right situation and money.
So, unless you believe that every franchise other than those in New York, L.A., Miami, Chicago or Boston should just pack it in and call it day . . . GTFO.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 6:35 pm to VOR
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You seem to have a hard and fast opinion. Trust me, your screen name aside, neither you nor anyone on this board is a basketball Nostradamus. Noel was/is a huge risk who, in his limited college career, showed nothing close to Anthony Davis.
99% of college prospects won't. He was still a lottery pick who wasn't the top overall pick in the draft solely because of injury concerns.
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Wiggins, in spite of all the amateur white adolescent boys jizzing in their pants, is far from a proven NBA can't miss.
Think you should probably read-up on this year's draft class VOR. Is anything a guarantee in professional sports? No, but this draft class has 4-5 of the closest things you'll ever see to sure things in the draft. Davis might not even be the top pick if he came out this year. This class is that good.
Saying "amateur white adolescent boys" are the ones jizzing their pants is a little ridiculous when every respectable draft analyst agrees this is the best draft class of the decade.
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This current Pelicans roster is far from final. It's just a start. We've got our lottery pick franchise already. The rest will likely come from trades and, yes, FA signings. The roster does have tradeable assets, and FA's will come for the right situation and money.
So, unless you believe that every franchise other than those in New York, L.A., Miami, Chicago or Boston should just pack it in and call it day . . . GTFO.
Sure the roster is far from finished. It is, however, lacking much flexibility going forward. It's also undeniable that it's more difficult for small market teams to build outside of through the draft in the NBA.
I literally don't think yal realize how absurd this franchise could have been. In three years we could have selected:
1. The big man with the highest ceiling since Dwight Howard
2. The top overall prospect, another big man with the potential to form a Twin Towers duo with the aforementioned stud
3. A top backcourt stud from one of the most loaded classes in recent memory
It wouldn't have even been funny. Even if Noel never turns into anything we come out on top IMO.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 6:38 pm to The Future
quote:That lineup is still better than quite a few teams out there, so I'd rather not put my eggs in the basket that gives you probably a 5% or 10% chance of hitting.
Moving forward into the 2014 lottery with a possibility to snag Wiggins or Parker to fill the 3...
Posted on 11/28/13 at 6:55 pm to FootballNostradamus
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It wouldn't have even been funny. Even if Noel never turns into anything we come out on top IMO.
You put faaaaarrrrrrr too much faith in NBA draft probabilities. I'd be interested in the track record of each of the top ten picks, by slot, for the last ten years. Actually, I think we've had something like that posted previously.
Draft picks can be valuable but they're a huge gamble in the NBA. . . moreso than the NFL. We'll see.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 7:03 pm to VOR
Yup...
Posted on 11/28/13 at 7:13 pm to VOR
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You put faaaaarrrrrrr too much faith in NBA draft probabilities. I'd be interested in the track record of each of the top ten picks, by slot, for the last ten years. Actually, I think we've had something like that posted previously.
Draft picks can be valuable but they're a huge gamble in the NBA. . . moreso than the NFL. We'll see.
Lol what?
The average pick of the starting roster of the 2013 NBA All-Star is the 5th pick overall. The average pick of the backups is the 10th pick overall.
There's not a single individual drafted outside the 1st round in the 2013 All-Star roster. Please do the same kind of comparison for the NFL.
Do you always just make stuff up?
Posted on 11/28/13 at 7:28 pm to The Future
You know a lot of teams suck/tank for multiple years in a row and somehow they're still at the top of the draft and don't go anywhere. Vasquez is overrated. A solid bench player. Holiday is far superior. Let's not declare Noel the next Dikembe Mutombo until he actually steps on a court. And, as other noted, the pick this year is top five protected. When Gordon is shipped off the team will pick up more assets. This is far from a finished product.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 7:48 pm to FootballNostradamus
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1st round in the 2013 All-Star roster.
Kobe will be on the All Star roster this year.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 7:57 pm to FootballNostradamus
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There's not a single individual drafted outside the 1st round in the 2013 All-Star roster
David Lee. 1st pick of 2nd round. Just sayin.
Eta. Last pick of 1st round. Knicks 2nd pick of 1st round. Stand corrected.
This post was edited on 11/28/13 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:09 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Kobe will be on the All Star roster this year.
I know, so what...???
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:10 pm to Unknown_Poster
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You know a lot of teams suck/tank for multiple years in a row and somehow they're still at the top of the draft and don't go anywhere.
The closest team recently with as many top picks in a row as us would be the Thunder.
That worked out pretty well for them.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:15 pm to FootballNostradamus
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The average pick of the starting roster of the 2013 NBA All-Star is the 5th pick overall. The average pick of the backups is the 10th pick overall.
There's not a single individual drafted outside the 1st round in the 2013 All-Star roster.
You do realize that you're not really addressing my point, much less refuting it, right?
BTW, OKC did catch lightning in a bottle. So? That doesn't mean their "model" works for everybody. Plus, imo, they very well may have gone as far as they're going to go.
ETA: The only relevant issue is the value to the Pelicans of A) Holiday (and, I would argue, Evans, because he signed because of the moves the Pelicans were making) vs, B) an injured, unproven skinny kid with limited experience at Kentucky plus an unknown draft pick outside of the top five next year. Bird in the hand, brah.
This post was edited on 11/28/13 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:26 pm to FootballNostradamus
Also, I guess a good question, and to VOR's point, how many 1st rounders in the past 7 years or so that aren't even in the league anymore. Draft picks are a gamble. Some draft better than others. Perfect example; Cedric Simmons and Hilton Armstrong.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:28 pm to Gtothemoney
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VOR's point, how many 1st rounders in the past 7 years or so that aren't even in the league anymore. Draft picks are a gamble.
Yeah, this . . .
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:41 pm to VOR
We won in our gamble with AD, the key is to put people around him. OKC got lucky with 4 1st round picks: Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka.
They had their run and lost Harden. We need to keep a few vets and build around AD.
They had their run and lost Harden. We need to keep a few vets and build around AD.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:28 pm to FootballNostradamus
Im not sure what you're arguing here. That they need to tank to get high lottery picks or that they just need draft picks?
Definitely think you're off on the first part. Indiana, Houston, SAS, Memphis, are all teams that didnt use a string of lottery picks to become part of the upper crust. None are glamour markets either. Outside of OKC, which recent contender hit on high lotto picks like that?
In fact, most recent title teams have only one star that they drafted on their championship rosters. Not 2 or 3 from consecutive lottery picks.
On this roster Evans, Gordon, Davis, Aminu and Rivers were lottery picks. Anderson, Smiht (I think) and Holiday were also first rounders. They have draft pedigree here. Perhaps not lived up to the hype for some, but thats the nature of the draft
Definitely think you're off on the first part. Indiana, Houston, SAS, Memphis, are all teams that didnt use a string of lottery picks to become part of the upper crust. None are glamour markets either. Outside of OKC, which recent contender hit on high lotto picks like that?
In fact, most recent title teams have only one star that they drafted on their championship rosters. Not 2 or 3 from consecutive lottery picks.
On this roster Evans, Gordon, Davis, Aminu and Rivers were lottery picks. Anderson, Smiht (I think) and Holiday were also first rounders. They have draft pedigree here. Perhaps not lived up to the hype for some, but thats the nature of the draft
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