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Davis is shooting 55% from midrange so far..
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:06 pm
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Extremely small sample size but if he keeps this up..
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Davis has made 54.5 percent of shots (6 of 11) taken from 15-to 19- feet away from the basket
Extremely small sample size but if he keeps this up..
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Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:13 pm to tgr4ever
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Davis has already boned more 10s than i will meet in my life
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:22 pm to tgr4ever
needs to take a step back and shoot 3s
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nah, the midrange shot is a lost art of basketball. With the recent infatuation of advanced stats a lot of people think it's a bad shot. It's not. Imo it is important because you become more of a threat on offense. If you don't have a great mid range game, then players can just sag off you since you're not a threat to score from outside.
needs to take a step back and shoot 3s
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:29 pm to tgr4ever
I think he shot 69% against the Bobcats.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:40 pm to tgr4ever
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Nah, the midrange shot is a lost art of basketball. With the recent infatuation of advanced stats a lot of people think it's a bad shot. It's not. Imo it is important because you become more of a threat on offense. If you don't have a great mid range game, then players can just sag off you since you're not a threat to score from outside.
Thank you dr jack ramsey
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:52 pm to tgr4ever
I don't think the argument is that you should be bad at mid range shots. I think it's that you shouldn't take them. If your opponent knows that you have the range to make them, then they won't sag off of you.
IMO the risk of the mid range shot isn't worth the reward, when you could step 3 feet back and get 1 more point per shot. You are better off getting closer to the basket and taking an easier shot, or shooting from 3 feet further away and getting 1 more point per shot.
IMO the risk of the mid range shot isn't worth the reward, when you could step 3 feet back and get 1 more point per shot. You are better off getting closer to the basket and taking an easier shot, or shooting from 3 feet further away and getting 1 more point per shot.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 9:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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needs to take a step back and shoot 3s
...nah.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 10:01 pm to Epic Cajun
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IMO the risk of the mid range shot isn't worth the reward, when you could step 3 feet back and get 1 more point per shot. You are better off getting closer to the basket and taking an easier shot, or shooting from 3 feet further away and getting 1 more point per shot.
people say this like it's just that easy
so someone like West or Smith, who have done quite well in their careers with the mid range jumper, should just step back? because you know, when someone has screened you open, it's just that easy to make it all the way to the 3 point line
Posted on 11/3/13 at 10:15 pm to quail man
As athletic as Davis is he should probably drive to the basket rather than taking the mid range jumper, if he is not available to take the 3.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 10:20 pm to quail man
The stigma of midrange or long 2's is simply a product of lazy-to-boneheaded analysis. If people don't shoot credible shots from all over the floor, the defense can focus in certain areas without overcommitting. With those credible threats, the defense has to cover the entire floor, it helps you take more of the more efficient shots AND have the actually be more efficient.
Simply going "all dunks and 3's" helps the defense stop those shots when then makes those midrange shots more attractive, and so it goes.
It's not about should a team shoot those, but rather who should shoot them and how often.
To me, take your worst players and set them up to succeed. Let your best players fill in the spaces. That strategy makes your less credible threats as credible as possible, which keeps the D `honest'.
Hence, the AD's and TD's of the world practice and take those `junk' shots. They do well at them, to boot. Why? Because they practice it.
Who cares about the average? You plan for the team you have.
Simply going "all dunks and 3's" helps the defense stop those shots when then makes those midrange shots more attractive, and so it goes.
It's not about should a team shoot those, but rather who should shoot them and how often.
To me, take your worst players and set them up to succeed. Let your best players fill in the spaces. That strategy makes your less credible threats as credible as possible, which keeps the D `honest'.
Hence, the AD's and TD's of the world practice and take those `junk' shots. They do well at them, to boot. Why? Because they practice it.
Who cares about the average? You plan for the team you have.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 10:33 pm to 42
42 played college ball. Respect
Posted on 11/3/13 at 10:39 pm to MrBlue105
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42 played college ball. Respect
42 did not play college ball. Disrespect.
I also never sat on a running tablesaw, but I know the consequences.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 11:21 pm to tgr4ever
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If you don't have a great mid range game, then players can just sag off you since you're not a threat to score from outside.
uh
why not just shoot 3s and accomplish the same thing?
Posted on 11/3/13 at 11:23 pm to Epic Cajun
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You are better off getting closer to the basket and taking an easier shot, or shooting from 3 feet further away and getting 1 more point per shot.
yeah and "1 point" sounds small but it's a 50% increase in scoring potential
shooting 55% from 2 = 1.10 points per shot
you only have to shoot 36.7% from 3 to be more efficient
Posted on 11/3/13 at 11:31 pm to 42
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If people don't shoot credible shots from all over the floor, the defense can focus in certain areas without overcommitting.
well you're not going to TOTALLY eliminate it, and i don't expect him to just magically have a 3 point shot
but he's taking very long 2s. those should translate to 3s, and it needs to be something he develops if he's going to play soft. look at the difference for lebron and durant over time
rim and 3s
rim and 3s
rim and 3s
of course you'll take SOME long 2s, but you want your bread and butter to be at the rim and behind the 3 point line
Posted on 11/3/13 at 11:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why are you trying to trying to turn AD in to a SF? And the multiple passive aggressive "soft" refrences?
The last thing we need is AD turning into Rasheed Wallace. He's got the wingspan of a 757 and people are actually advocating he step FARTHER away from the basket? Thanks Grantland...
Sorry, but ADs game is developing extremely nicely. He can dominate the game from 20 ft and in like he's doing, without standing in the corner waiting for kick out 3 pointers.
Posted on 11/3/13 at 11:55 pm to eyeran
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Why are you trying to trying to turn AD in to a SF?
well that starts with AD playing like a SF
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He can dominate the game from 20 ft and in
the question is why not dominate from 23 ft and in?
hopefully, and i have no doubt that he will, he'll develop a back to the basket game...but his game right now is 20 feet or the rim. nobody is saying he needs to stop going to the rim; it's the other pole. the 20 feet
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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needs to take a step back and shoot 3s
You say that likes its a really easy thing. You have guys like David West who are killer at the midrange, but they don't shoot threes, and it is for a reason.
there is such a thing as range
Posted on 11/4/13 at 12:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Why not just do it from 3 instead of the long 2? Ask Durant and James why he takes as many long 2's as 3's in that chart?
Ask Durant why his big changes were making all shots better and speading the threat around, not eliminating long 2's.
I think we basically agree, and the charts support the claim that the best scorers can and do score effecrively from midrange.
And I get the extra point of yield necessitating less accuracy. That is not the point. The point is for the team to be able to score effectively by keeping the defense from knowing what is going to happen, at least in a partial information sense. It's basically presenting the bad guys with maximum entropy and making them deal with it. Trying to optimize every shot's value individually gives too much info to the defense, so they focus and erode your yield.
Ask Durant why his big changes were making all shots better and speading the threat around, not eliminating long 2's.
I think we basically agree, and the charts support the claim that the best scorers can and do score effecrively from midrange.
And I get the extra point of yield necessitating less accuracy. That is not the point. The point is for the team to be able to score effectively by keeping the defense from knowing what is going to happen, at least in a partial information sense. It's basically presenting the bad guys with maximum entropy and making them deal with it. Trying to optimize every shot's value individually gives too much info to the defense, so they focus and erode your yield.
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