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re: NBA 2K14 Player Ratings
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:27 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:27 pm to RonBurgundy
Let me guess, Kevin Love is an 83?
I stand corrected, he's an 87, which is still bull shite. When he's healthy he's a top 10 player.
I stand corrected, he's an 87, which is still bull shite. When he's healthy he's a top 10 player.
This post was edited on 9/26/13 at 10:49 pm
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Posted on 9/26/13 at 11:13 pm to RonBurgundy
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Marc Gasol at 81 and Al Jefferson at 84
Posted on 9/27/13 at 8:40 am to RonBurgundy
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ETA: Marc Gasol at 81 and Al Jefferson at 84
total BS. gasol is easily 90
Posted on 9/27/13 at 9:39 am to htran90
He's definitely better than Al Jefferson now. Although I think Jefferson at 84 isn't a bad ranking for him, but Gasol should be around 90 like you said.
Although racist may be a little stupid. Most of the rankings are uninformed if anything or they way overvalue athleticism over production for their ratings.
Roy Hibbert is an 81 while Andrew Bynum is an 86
Hell Iman Shumpurt's a damn 82 overall.
Although racist may be a little stupid. Most of the rankings are uninformed if anything or they way overvalue athleticism over production for their ratings.
Roy Hibbert is an 81 while Andrew Bynum is an 86
Hell Iman Shumpurt's a damn 82 overall.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:17 pm to saintsfan92612
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Hell Iman Shumpurt's a damn 82 overall.
Did you not see that sick dunk? And he's not white.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 2:48 am to saintsfan92612
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He's definitely better than Al Jefferson now. Although I think Jefferson at 84 isn't a bad ranking for him, but Gasol should be around 90 like you said. Although racist may be a little stupid. Most of the rankings are uninformed if anything or they way overvalue athleticism over production for their ratings.
Jefferson and Gasol are the same age and Gasol has never been statistically better than Jefferson. Jefferson has always put up better numbers. Neither is a great defender and they only plus for Gasol is that he plays a position with horrible depth. It has given the impression that he is a superior player, but he is not.
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Roy Hibbert is an 81 while Andrew Bynum is an 86
Hibbert is just not that great (12/8 last season) and Bynum, when healthy, is just way better. I don't see an issue there either.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 4:08 am to brmark70816
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Neither is a great defender and they only plus for Gasol is that he plays a position with horrible depth
Marc Gasol is light years ahead of Jefferson as a player.
lay off that shite.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 8:56 am to RonBurgundy
"Despite being named the Defensive Player of the Year, Gasol was left off the NBA All-Defensive First Team and was named to the Second Team instead. Of the players named to both teams, Gasol received the least amount of votes.[16] The Defensive Player of the Year was named by sportswriters, while the All-Defensive Team members were named by coaches"
That comes directly from Gasol's Wiki page. He barely made the All-defensive team and then it was based off of Memphis's reputation and not his..
If you look at career numbers:
Jefferson- 16.4/9.0/1.5 apg/1.4 bpg
Gasol- 13.3/8.0/2.7 apg/1.6 bpg
If you can look at those numbers and say that Gasol is way better, than you are just being unrealistic. They are the same age and Jefferson has been in the league twice as long. So not like there isn't enough history to back it up..
That comes directly from Gasol's Wiki page. He barely made the All-defensive team and then it was based off of Memphis's reputation and not his..
If you look at career numbers:
Jefferson- 16.4/9.0/1.5 apg/1.4 bpg
Gasol- 13.3/8.0/2.7 apg/1.6 bpg
If you can look at those numbers and say that Gasol is way better, than you are just being unrealistic. They are the same age and Jefferson has been in the league twice as long. So not like there isn't enough history to back it up..
Posted on 9/28/13 at 6:10 pm to brmark70816
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He barely made the All-defensive team and then it was based off of Memphis's reputation and not his..
If you look at career numbers:
Jefferson- 16.4/9.0/1.5 apg/1.4 bpg
Gasol- 13.3/8.0/2.7 apg/1.6 bpg
If you can look at those numbers and say that Gasol is way better, than you are just being unrealistic. They are the same age and Jefferson has been in the league twice as long. So not like there isn't enough history to back it up..
Al Jefferson has never had a season where his Wins Shares are over 8. Marc Gasol topped 11 last year, in a stat where 10 Win Shares is considered a dominant season. He was second in the league in D-Win Shares too. The reason that Memphis is so good at D is because Marc is anchoring the middle.
On offense it's the very essence of who Gasol is compared to Al. Gasol plays in the high post and is a distributor-the offense runs through him. Marc is a superior passer, thus his Ast Rate last year was close to 20% and was nearly identical to his Usage Rate. Big Al is a black hole. His usage rate is exceedingly high for a player of his caliber(25%), does not pass the ball out of the block. Also taking 16 shots a game to score 17 is inefficent, especially considering how close to the basket he is(and also doesn't get to the line as a big man). Marc-taking seven less shots, doubles Als FTA, even though he is in the high post and more of a distributor. Al is notoriously terrible on defense, one of the major reasons his teams are .500 at best. A one way center with no defensive impact is pretty invaluable as a player-which is why Al has been traded twice and is now signed to the Bobcats.
Gasol, now free of Rudy Gay, is an All-NBA player, an All-Star, a starter for the second best international team, took his team to the conference finals. Memphis has spacing issues, so until that is addressed it they won't go to the finals.
Don't take my word for it, do some research, take a poll. Gasol is a top 20 player in the league. Al Jefferson is not.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 6:33 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 9/28/13 at 6:36 pm to brmark70816
Marc gasol should have a 90+ iq and defensive awareness in the game
Posted on 9/28/13 at 7:32 pm to RonBurgundy
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Al Jefferson has never had a season where his Wins Shares are over 8. Marc Gasol topped 11 last year, in a stat where 10 Win Shares is considered a dominant season.
We can go back on forth on this, because I don't believe in win shares at all. But given that, Jefferson plays on worse teams, so his WS will always be lower. Also, George Hill had a 9.7 win share last season, so I guess he had a top 5 PG year and really close to a "dominant season". There isn't a guy in the top 20 in WS that was on a sub .500 team. So I guess every guy on one of those teams just suck.
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He was second in the league in D-Win Shares too. The reason that Memphis is so good at D is because Marc is anchoring the middle.
Memphis had 4 guys in the top 15 in that category. It could be because them play a great defensive system that pumps those guys numbers up. But if you want to make a case that Zach Randolph is top 10 defender and the best defensive PF in the league last year, that's your right.
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On offense it's the very essence of who Gasol is compared to Al. Gasol plays in the high post and is a distributor-the offense runs through him. Marc is a superior passer, thus his Ast Rate last year was close to 20% and was nearly identical to his Usage Rate. Big Al is a black hole. His usage rate is exceedingly high for a player of his caliber(25%), does not pass the ball out of the block. Also taking 16 shots a game to score 17 is inefficent, especially considering how close to the basket he is(and also doesn't get to the line as a big man). Marc-taking seven less shots, doubles Als FTA,
They have different roles on offense and you are skewing the numbers. Jefferson is the primary offensive option. Gasol has always been 2nd or 3rd. Gasol is a better passer, but his assist numbers has never been far and away better than Jefferson. Plus he turns it over more. Yes, Jefferson takes 16 shots to get 18, but Gasol takes 11 to get 14. How much better is that really?
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Al is notoriously terrible on defense, one of the major reasons his teams are .500 at best. A one way center with no defensive impact is pretty invaluable as a player-which is why Al has been traded twice and is now signed to the Bobcats.
I can't debate that he is a bad defender. But his team's failures can't all be put on him. He has played in bad situations, under horrible coaches. Plus, he is not a Center. He is a PF and has had to play out of position out of desperate team need.
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Gasol, now free of Rudy Gay, is an All-NBA player, an All-Star, a starter for the second best international team, took his team to the conference finals. Memphis has spacing issues, so until that is addressed it they won't go to the finals.
He was a reserve All-star at the weakest position in the league. Sure, he is top 5 at his position, but there are only 5 or 6 decent Centers in the league. That doesn't make him great, it just makes him rare. You don't hyper inflate his value for that reason. Also, why does his role with the Spanish team matter? Could you name all 5 starters without looking it up? Are you going to give Victor Claver credit for being their starting PF?
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Don't take my word for it, do some research, take a poll. Gasol is a top 20 player in the league. Al Jefferson is not
Its an overreaction to a decent season that really wasn't that impressive. If you think that averaging 14/8/4/1.47/1 is a top 20 player, then I just don't know what to tell you. I'm just not going to give that much credit to the 3rd best player on the 5th best team in the league.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 8:45 pm to corndeaux
These ratings are god awful. They need to step that shite up. The 2K13 Pelicans mods were incredible. Anthony Davis reflected the one man wrecking crew he's been all summer.
2K, you're on notice.
2K, you're on notice.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 8:48 pm to brmark70816
Gasol is underrated. His stats arent great, like Jefferson's have been, but he is the superior player. I would wager no team takes Jefferson over Gasol.
Some Gasol reading:
Mike Prada
Matt Moore
Grantland
On Jefferson:
Mike Prada
Grantland
Some Gasol reading:
Mike Prada
Matt Moore
Grantland
On Jefferson:
Mike Prada
Grantland
Posted on 9/28/13 at 8:50 pm to corndeaux
And Gasol was absolutely not the 3rd best player on the Grizzlies. He was MUCH better than Randolph last year. Conley is the only acceptable alternative. And that is a healthy debate
Posted on 9/28/13 at 9:56 pm to corndeaux
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Gasol is underrated
By Who? Every analyst and blogger loves the guy and always say how great he is. I actually think it has gone over the edge now and he is a bit overrated. I love this line, from the first article you listed..
"The best defensive player in the NBA is not in the top 10 in total blocked shots or blocks per game, grabs fewer than eight rebounds a contest and finished 37th in an analysis by Harvard professor Kirk Goldsberry on the percentage his opponents shoot when he is contesting a shot at the rim."
The writers are trying to make a case he is the best defensive player, not the best defensive Center (Hello Dwight Howard), but the best defensive player in the league. That is just laughable.
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His stats arent great, like Jefferson's have been, but he is the superior player.I would wager no team takes Jefferson over Gasol.
I'm sure most teams would take the 3rd or 4th best Center in the league over the 6th or 7th best PF. There is a lack of quality Centers, but that doesn't make them superior players. I'm sure there are a lot of teams that would take Gasol over A. Davis. But I wouldn't agree with them either and he's not a better player.
It comes down to the fact that Gasol is not asked to do what Jefferson does. He is not a primary offensive option, has never tried to be and will probably never be one. He is a complimentary role player. Maybe I down played his defensive ability, but I don't think he is that exceptional in that area either. That is not a top 20 player to me..
Posted on 9/29/13 at 7:56 am to brmark70816
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By Who?
Well at least by you and the game
Gasol is the centerpiece of a Western conference contender and one of the best defenses in the league. Everything they do starts with him. Robin Lopez was top 10 in BLK% last season, does that mean he's a top tier defender?
Its really an argument of good stats/bad team v bad stats/good team.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:23 am to corndeaux
Hey video game dorks, I've got a serious question: should I buy a PS4 or PS3? I don't play video games but GTA V looks awesome. Will PS3 drop in price when the 4 is released?
Posted on 9/29/13 at 10:50 am to HeadyBrosevelt
Lol, don't buy anything. If you don't have anything yet then don't worry about it.
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 11:02 am to JayJay2
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don't buy anything
Why not? I have a ton of money to blow.
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