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mmcgrath
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Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


What we now know is that he had two prior incidents where he used guns in a very reckless manner. Should any such misuse of a firearm bar you from owning one again? Or perhaps just limit you to one gun and of a limited type?






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baybeefeetz
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


That dude shot through the ceiling intentionally.





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PuntBamaPunt
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


No. But would it have stopped him from getting one illegally?







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C
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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Or perhaps just limit you to one gun and of a limited type


Please correct me, but didn't he use a shot gun? I don't think anyone is targeting shotguns.






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constant cough
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


Why was he given clearance to enter the yard if he was having mental issues?





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LSUnowhas2
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


What background? He was never convicted of any crime. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If they had actually convicted him of a crime then it would have shown up on the NICS background check and he would not have been able to purchase a firearm. If you want to be mad at someone, I would suggest starting with whomever decided to not prosecute him for his prior alleged gun crimes.





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Alahunter
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


Wasn't he dishonorably discharged from the Navy?


Didn't he also have mental issues?

Both would have made it impossible to purchase a firearm from any dealer when he filled out a 4473. Are you saying that the background check failed here? That he simply, bypassed the law and lied?







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LSUnowhas2
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Both would have made it impossible to purchase a firearm from any dealer when he filled out a 4473. Are you saying that the background check failed here? That he simply, bypassed the law and lied?


People that lie on the 4473 largely go unpunished. I addressed this in another thread. Joe Biden thinks it unreasonable that we should actually enforce the laws we already have in place.






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dante
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to work for the government and have security clearance.


FIFY

ETA: Given his recent mental problems....no, he should not have a gone.



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Alahunter
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Joe Biden thinks it unreasonable that we should actually enforce the laws we already have in place.


Exactly. Because doing so, would address much of the issue. But it would not prevent them from gun grabbing from law abiding citizens.






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CarrolltonTiger
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


Perhaps if he had actually been charged and possibly convicted in those two prior incidents this would not have happened.

Would HP have hire him with two convictions or even an accessible arrest record?

But Obama's EEOC is now suing employers for considering arrest records as a reason for not hiring the melanin enriched,











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Tim
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


I think what most are failing to recognize is, much like the Ft. Hood shooter, this guy had mental issues. Our own military didn't do anything to prevent this guy from getting on base. He should never of had clearance. But, what we will see, once again, is a f**k up by a government controlled facility, and they will try to limit firearms for civilians.

If our own military can't stop mental cases like this guy and the Ft. Hood shooter, what makes us think they can run anything with efficiency? It's as simple as putting their names in a computer, when they get to the gate, turn them around. How difficult is that?






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Five0
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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People that lie on the 4473 largely go unpunished. I addressed this in another thread. Joe Biden thinks it unreasonable that we should actually enforce the laws we already have in place.


Well you have sold me. If our government is to inefficient to handle the regulatory powers, THAT IT GRANTED TO ITSELF, then we should defiantly limit the liberty of individuals. It is the only emotional solution.






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dante
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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If our own military can't stop mental cases like this guy and the Ft. Hood shooter, what makes us think they can run anything with efficiency? It's as simple as putting their names in a computer, when they get to the gate, turn them around. How difficult is that?
I was trying to make the same point earlier in another thread. This is the same government who reads our emails and records our phone calls but they cant even protect themselves from their own employees.






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Tim
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I was trying to make the same point earlier in another thread. This is the same government who reads our emails and records our phone calls but they cant even protect themselves from their own employees.


Yes, and the absurdity is people that jump on the "take firearms from civilians" bandwagon. Hell, it's their own people doing it. Maybe they've taken on the philosophy of Our Dear Leader, "blame everybody else."






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mmcgrath
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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What background? He was never convicted of any crime.
Good point. While we know that charges were never filed in Texas, I am curious how the Seattle case was disposed. Seems to me that he didn't even contest it with his own incriminating statements.

Of course AlaHunter brings up the good point of the dishonorable discharge and other mental issues.






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mmcgrath
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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Would HP have hire him with two convictions or even an accessible arrest record?
I think we are going to find out that the contractor or someone else (politician?) helped him with the security clearance.






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PuntBamaPunt
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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I am curious how the Seattle case was disposed.


In 2004 in Seattle, Alexis allegedly used a Glock pistol to shoot out the tires of a car belonging to a construction worker. Alexis said that he had experienced a “‘black-out’ fueled by anger” and that he did not remember pulling the trigger until an hour later. No one was injured. Police said that Alexis told them he believed the worker had “mocked him” earlier that day.

Documents posted by Seattle police said Alexis said he had “been present” at one of the scenes of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. “Those events disturbed him,” the police documents said. Alexis’ father told police that his son had anger-management problems, and blamed his experience as an “active participant in rescue attempts” after the terrorist attacks.

Alexis was arrested for property damage and the discharge of a firearm, according to the Seattle Police Department. But he was never charged in court. The paperwork apparently was lost.

“That report never got to the Seattle city attorney’s office,” said Kimberly Mills, a spokeswoman for the city attorney, in a telephone interview Monday. “Consequently, we never filed charges against Mr. Alexis.”

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dante
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report never got to the Seattle city attorney’s office,” said Kimberly Mills, a spokeswoman for the city attorney, in a telephone interview Monday. “Consequently, we never filed charges against Mr. Alexis.”
Once again we put our trust in government to protect us and look what happens.






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mmcgrath
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re: Should someone with Aaron Alexis' background be allowed to own a firearm?


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“That report never got to the Seattle city attorney’s office,” said Kimberly Mills, a spokeswoman for the city attorney, in a telephone interview Monday. “Consequently, we never filed charges against Mr. Alexis.”
Interesting how the general public can google the "paperwork" but the city attorney in Seattle can't find it. Time for an audit and some arrests.

Thanks for the find.



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