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Help Resolve My Deep Freezer Issues...
Posted on 9/5/13 at 8:53 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 8:53 am
Well the issue isnt the deep freezer, its the dang GFI outlets in my garage.
This deep chest style freezer is probably 20 years old, and i bought it off my parents last year.
Well, in the middle of last year i lost probably 15 lbs of hamburger meat ( venison) and a couple packs of back strap. The gfi tripped and obviously the frezer turned off. it was off for a week or two before i noticed...
After some serious cleaning etc, i put it back on the outlet and unplugged my water sprinkler system box, which was plugged in with it.
Long story short i killed a wood duck drake i wanted to mount, wrapped it up and put it in the deep freezer. While i was on vacation, the damn freezer outlet tripped again...
So. What can i do to remedy this situation??
With October 1st looming ahead, and me being mad as hell at these deer, i am scared to use the freezer.
Halp me please
This deep chest style freezer is probably 20 years old, and i bought it off my parents last year.
Well, in the middle of last year i lost probably 15 lbs of hamburger meat ( venison) and a couple packs of back strap. The gfi tripped and obviously the frezer turned off. it was off for a week or two before i noticed...
After some serious cleaning etc, i put it back on the outlet and unplugged my water sprinkler system box, which was plugged in with it.
Long story short i killed a wood duck drake i wanted to mount, wrapped it up and put it in the deep freezer. While i was on vacation, the damn freezer outlet tripped again...
So. What can i do to remedy this situation??
With October 1st looming ahead, and me being mad as hell at these deer, i am scared to use the freezer.
Halp me please
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:03 am to thedice20
Junk that POS and go buy a new one.
Have an electrician test that breaker to make sure it isn't weak.
Have an electrician test that breaker to make sure it isn't weak.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:11 am to thedice20
Don't put appliances on GFCI outlets. That's the reason your fridge may be in the kitchen yet is not on a GFCI to stop this from happening.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:12 am to Choirboy
quote:
Junk that POS and go buy a new one.
Have an electrician test that breaker to make sure it isn't weak.
This is the only answer...
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:23 am to wickowick
quote:
quote:
Junk that POS and go buy a new one.
Have an electrician test that breaker to make sure it isn't weak.
This is the only answer...
had one constantly tripping at my house.... breaker was bad
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:23 am to thedice20
GFCI is like a wearing a belt and suspenders. Replace the GFCI outlet with a plain outlet.
Will cost you a dollar and take 15 minutes.
GFCI adds an unnecessary level of complexity and just something else to go wrong (and often times does).
Will cost you a dollar and take 15 minutes.
GFCI adds an unnecessary level of complexity and just something else to go wrong (and often times does).
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:34 am to Scrowe
quote:
Don't put appliances on GFCI outlets
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:41 am to Tigerpaw123
Don't replace the gfci outlet, you may need it one day.
Add in another regular outlet ahead of the gfci outlet on the wire, then piggy back the gfci off the new outlet. It should allow the gfci to trip while still leaving the regular outlet running.
Add in another regular outlet ahead of the gfci outlet on the wire, then piggy back the gfci off the new outlet. It should allow the gfci to trip while still leaving the regular outlet running.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:59 am to eng08
quote:
Don't replace the gfci outlet, you may need it one day.
Add in another regular outlet ahead of the gfci outlet on the wire, then piggy back the gfci off the new outlet. It should allow the gfci to trip while still leaving the regular outlet running.
hmmmm,
i should clarify--- the plug actually isnt a gfi outlet, but it is tied-in in some form or fashion with the others in the garage.
i.e. i have to trip the little breaker on the other plug across the garage..
So is it an issue of the older deep freezer drawing too much energy?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 10:09 am to eng08
quote:
on't replace the gfci outlet, you may need it one day.
Add in another regular outlet ahead of the gfci outlet on the wire, then piggy back the gfci off the new outlet. It should allow the gfci to trip while still leaving the regular outlet running.
Why would he every "need" a GFCI? If code compliance became an issue when selling the house (if built after 1987), just put the GFCI back in for inspection.
Much quicker, cheaper and easier than adding another outlet (which itself may not be code compliant). But since when have I ever been concerned with codes.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 10:19 am to thedice20
quote:Ahh. That does make a difference.
hmmmm,
i should clarify--- the plug actually isnt a gfi outlet, but it is tied-in in some form or fashion with the others in the garage.
i.e. i have to trip the little breaker on the other plug across the garage..
So is it an issue of the older deep freezer drawing too much energy?
Chest freezers draw very little current. Upright freezers draw many times more.
Open up that GFCI outlet and see if there are any loose wires in it.
This is not "code compliant", but if there are no loose wires in that GFCI, the practical thing I would do is replace the GFCI outlet that is tripping. The outlet you are plugged into is drawing from that other GFCI outlet. You have a real circuit breaker in the main panel if there is a real problem.
When was the house built? How old is the deep freeze? I assume your deep freeze has 3 prongs on the plug. Do you have a clamp-on amp meter?
ETA: Replace the GFCI with a plain outlet to eliminate variables. Or be "compliant" and put a new GFCI in its place.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 10:24 am to CoastieGM
quote:
When was the house built? How old is the deep freeze? I assume your deep freeze has 3 prongs on the plug. Do you have a clamp-on amp meter?
Brand new house. 2012 construction...
Deep freezer was purchased in mid 90's..Probably 95 or so.
Yes it is a three pronged plug. I am so electric ignorant its scary...
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:29 am to thedice20
quote:Tells me a lot. Code calls for GFCI for all kitchen, bathroom, and garage outlets.
Brand new house. 2012 construction...
Since the house is so new, I'll bet there is either a slightly loose connection or a defective outlet...quite common on new houses.
I doubt there is anything wrong with the deep freezer. I assume it worked just fine before.
Replacing outlets is easy. I'm sure there are YouTube videos on it, or get a friend to help you out.
FWIW. My 30 year old house in Texas never had any GFCIs. I never had a single outlet go bad. I remodeled & upgraded the kitchens and bathrooms 3 years ago....including installation of GFCI outlets. In that three years, I've had to replace two of them.
My new house in Alaska has all GFCIs. In just one year, I've had 3 of them go out (one kitchen, one garage, one outside).
My rental properties in Houston...GFCI outlets go out. The old standard outlets never have a problem. I only put GFCIs within arms length of water sources for my rentals.
Just before I left Alaska last month, I set up a couple of chest freezers for all our salmon, clams, halibut, moose, etc. The very first thing I did was to yank out those brand new GFCI outlets and put regular outlets in their place.
Man, if you lived near me, I'd come over and teach you how to replace those things...really simple.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:37 pm to CoastieGM
quote:
Tells me a lot. Code calls for GFCI for all kitchen, bathroom, and garage outlets.
I thought you could get around that on outlets used for appliances. Dishwasher, garbage disposals, refrigerators, etc are not on GFCI outlets.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:05 pm to CoastieGM
I will do some googlin!
Thanks for the advice
Yea freezer worked perfect all those years.
Thanks for the advice
Yea freezer worked perfect all those years.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:11 pm to Scrowe
quote:You're right. I wasn't specific enough. The outlets you mention are for more permanent appliances that are not plugged and unplugged on a regular basis. All others must be GFCI that can have portable appliances like a food processor, toaster, mixer, margarita machine, etc. that people would plug and unplug on a regular basis.
Dishwasher, garbage disposals, refrigerators, etc are not on GFCI outlets.
Regardless, it's all bullcrap and I'd like to see it all go away, keep things simpler, let Darwinism take its course, and not have to worry about losing a chest full of meat because of a flakey and over-sensitive technology that we don't really need to begin with. [/rant]
Wanna know how I really feel?
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:20 pm to CoastieGM
quote:
Regardless, it's all bullcrap and I'd like to see it all go away, keep things simpler, let Darwinism take its course, and not have to worry about losing a chest full of meat because of a flakey and over-sensitive technology that we don't really need to begin with. [/rant]
amen!
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