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Posted on 7/26/13 at 10:53 am to WDE24
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SlowFlowPro
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WDE24
I see all the lawyers are in agreement.
It really is simply the agent's fault.
Obviously, if we find out the agent emailed, left texts/voicemail reminding the athlete and the athlete didn't go, then that fault goes back on the athlete.
The agent shouldn't have to drive, wake him up, shower him, and bring him to workouts (unless they contracted for that too).
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 10:56 am to brewhan davey
quote:They were voluntary workouts.
Why was he not going to workouts?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 10:56 am to Teddy Ruxpin
3% on $2M is $60k by my math
if people think an agent is just responsible for negotiating a deal, brown could have paid a jones walker-type lawyer $500/hour to negotiate that deal (only negotiate) and come out way ahead over the entire contract
if people think an agent is just responsible for negotiating a deal, brown could have paid a jones walker-type lawyer $500/hour to negotiate that deal (only negotiate) and come out way ahead over the entire contract
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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3% on $2M is $60k by my math if people think an agent is just responsible for negotiating a deal, brown could have paid a jones walker-type lawyer $500/hour to negotiate that deal (only negotiate) and come out way ahead over the entire contract
Totally agree. These guys get paid the big bucks to be a personal assistant to these athletes essentially.
Why the frick did you see Rosenthal doing press conferences for TO when he was trying to kill himself? BECAUSE HE GETS PAID FOR MORE THAN JUST THE DEAL
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What I don't understand is what happened in the first two years of the contract. Did he do the workouts those years so that the agent didn't think about it and assumed he would do them again? Was the clause only valid during the final year of the contract?
Brown had been due to earn $2.925 million in salary for the 2013 season. The 28-year-old player, entering his contract year, worked out on his own this offseason -- something he said he routinely has done.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:08 am to WDE24
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What I don't understand is what happened in the first two years of the contract. Did he do the workouts those years so that the agent didn't think about it and assumed he would do them again? Was the clause only valid during the final year of the contract?
According to some here, you should be asking Brown that.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:14 am to WDE24
According to ESPN article, Brown claims he always goes home to train. He's never gone to workouts with the 49ers. Sounds like some weird bullshite clause the 49ers put in to frick him. Switching my opinion that this falls on agent 100%.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:24 am to LSUnowhas2
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^^^ this poster doesn't understand how a strawman works.
I understand exactly how it works
you created this argument:
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So this guy doesn't go to his workouts and it is his agent's fault?
which simplifies and leaves out the entire purpose of the original argument. The agent is paid to inform him of these parts of his contract. No one is claiming that he shouldn't have gone to the workouts, just that his agent should have informed him of it.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:29 am to tduecen
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By failing to show, his base pay drops from $2.925 million to $925,000.
That is fricked up. I know, a contract is a contract, but if the 49ers want this guy happy and playing his best they should probably meet him in the middle with the money. If he was a good employee that is what I would do. If he was an excellent employee I would give him the full amount,
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:47 am to TigerBait1127
I didn't create the argument. That IS the argument. It is either the agent's fault or the player's fault. My position is that it is the player's fault. There is no strawman.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:49 am to LSUnowhas2
quote:I couldn't disagree more with your position, but I also don't see how "strawman" fits here.
I didn't create the argument. That IS the argument. It is either the agent's fault or the player's fault. My position is that it is the player's fault. There is no strawman
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:57 am to LSUnowhas2
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I didn't create the argument. That IS the argument. It is either the agent's fault or the player's fault. My position is that it is the player's fault. There is no strawman.
I totally disagree with that. Why would anyone ever pay an agent then?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:57 am to LSUnowhas2
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It is either the agent's fault or the player's fault.
you can't have more than 1 party at fault?
The player should have read his contract
The agent should have informed the player of the parts of his contract
Difference is that the agent is hired to do this. The player can't fire himself.
The statement you made isn't what anyone in this thread is arguing.
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So this guy doesn't go to his workouts and it is his agent's fault?
the agent is at fault for not informing his client of what he needed to do to fulfill his contract. That is why he was fired, not for this guy simply skipping his workout. You misinterpreted what the guy was stating/implying
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:08 pm to TigerBait1127
what a difference one day makes- read this yesterday seems like he knew
LINK
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Though Brown skipped the voluntary portion of the workout program, he did participate in the 49ers' mandatory minicamp in June. Prior to those workouts, Brown explained to Cam Inman of the Bay Area News Group that he was going to leave it up to his agent on whether or not to hold out of training camp to get a new contract and gave his reason for skipping the voluntary OTAs.
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With Brown losing that $2 million in salary, his contract might be an issue during training camp. Brown is not the only 49ers defensive back who has a contract issue, either.
Fellow starting cornerback Carlos Rogers, who turned 32 in early July, is scheduled to earn $5.75 million in cash compensation ($5.5 million base salary, $1.75 million of which is fully guaranteed, plus $250,000 in roster bonuses) and could be relegated to a nickel corner role if free agent addition Nnamdi Asomugha (or Perrish Cox) beats him out for a starting job. Last week, the 49ers acquired cornerback Eric Wright from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but failed Wright on his physical as reports surfaced about a DUI arrest in Los Angeles on July 12. In the back-end of the secondary, safety Donte Whitner is entering the final year of his contract and this week has openly wondered about his future with the 49ers.
LINK
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:10 pm to tduecen
Any regular working stiff who got a chance to play in the NFL, would go to every camp, workout, everything. You're still only working half the year. Dope.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:22 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I doubt the people bashing this guy for not knowing so much of his salary was tied up in that clause have read through every single line of every contract they have signed.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:31 pm to TigerintheNO
I read the bolded portion of your post as referring to him holding out of training camp (which just started yesterday)...it says he then gave his reason
for skipping the voluntary OTA's and that was because he planned to work out on his own in Texas.
If he or his agent had paid more attention to his contract and were aware of the penalty, I'm guessing he would've stayed to workout in Cali... that and his agent would still have him as a client.
for skipping the voluntary OTA's and that was because he planned to work out on his own in Texas.
If he or his agent had paid more attention to his contract and were aware of the penalty, I'm guessing he would've stayed to workout in Cali... that and his agent would still have him as a client.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:44 pm to lsu480
quote:this I agree with
That is fricked up. I know, a contract is a contract, but if the 49ers want this guy happy and playing his best they should probably meet him in the middle with the money. If he was a good employee that is what I would do. If he was an excellent employee I would give him the full amount,
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:49 pm to lsu480
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If he was an excellent employee I would give him the full amount,
I agree with that. If he were, for example, the type of player that showed up for voluntary workouts I would definitely go ahead and pay him the full amount.
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