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GOP threatens government shutdown over ObamaCare


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ObamaCare is at the center of a rapidly escalating fight that threatens to shut the government down this fall. Senate Republicans, including two members of the leadership, are coalescing around a proposal to block any government funding resolution that includes money for the implementation of the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

But such a move is a nonstarter for President Obama and congressional Democrats. Republicans have tried this maneuver in Obama’s first term, only to back off later to the chagrin of Tea Party leaders.

This time, GOP lawmakers are emboldened by problems plaguing the administration’s ObamaCare implementation. But that zeal could put Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in a tough spot. Both leaders have downplayed previous talk of shuttering the government.

In the House, 64 Republicans have signed onto a letter pressing Boehner not to bring any legislation funding ObamaCare to the floor.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), the leader of the Senate effort, predicts the vast majority of the Senate Republican Conference will back his plan, giving him enough votes to sustain a filibuster of a stopgap spending measure.

“This is the last stop before ObamaCare fully kicks in on Jan. 1 of next year for us to refuse to fund it,” Lee said Monday on “Fox and Friends.”

“If Republicans in both houses simply refuse to vote for any continuing resolution that contains further funding for further enforcement of ObamaCare, we can stop it. We can stop the individual mandate from going into effect,” he said.



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This is going to be the litmus test of whether you do or do not support ObamaCare,” said Brian Phillips, Lee’s spokesman. Lee’s proposal could become an issue in Republican primary races next year.

“Any Republican who votes to give Obama a single penny to implement ObamaCare is part of the problem and should be defeated. Any Republican who votes to fund ObamaCare should have a primary challenger,” said Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, a fundraising group that supports conservative Republican challengers.



Game on...

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mahdragonz
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just noise.

carry on.






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mahdragonz
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these GOP don't have the political backing to stop it.

what are they talking about?






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Same old song...different cover.






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I doubt more shutdown shenanigans will play well for the GOP.





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mahdragonz


Even if you are for Obamacare you have to acknowledge its not ready to be rolled out. Democrats would at least be able to defend it in the 2014 midterms before its implemented in 2015. If it rolls out in early 2014 it's going to get ugly for Dems in the midterms.






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mahdragonz
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Do people really believe the insurance lobby is NOT going to let Obamacare be implemented?

Who are these clueless folk?






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Vols&Shaft83
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Do people really believe the insurance lobby is NOT going to let Obamacare be implemented?


Do you have a fricking clue what you are talking about?






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I doubt more shutdown shenanigans will play well for the GOP.


The GOP will offer a continuing resolution to fund the government with the exception of Obamacare.






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mahdragonz
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Do you have a fricking clue what you are talking about?


Private insurers are about to get 30 million new customers.

They WROTE the law. It's going to be implemented and the GOP will cave just like every other time they've tried to stop it.






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The GOP will offer a continuing resolution to fund the government with the exception of Obamacare.






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Isn't it the case that the part not being implemented only affects 1% of employees in the US.

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Part of the reason is that the mandate, as written, affects relatively few employers. “You’ve got 5.7 million firms in the U.S.,” says Wharton’s Mark Duggan, who served as the top health economist at White House’s Council of Economic Advisers from 2009 to 2010. “Only 210,000 have more than 50 employees. So 96 percent of firms aren’t affected. Then if you look among those firms with 50 or more employees, something on the order of 95 percent offer health insurance. So it’s basically 10,000 or so employers who have more than 50 employees and don’t offer coverage.” Those companies probably employ around one percent of American workers.






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Zed


The poor Republicans

They have been beaten at every turn on Obamacare.






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Vols&Shaft83
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They WROTE the law. It's going to be implemented and the GOP will cave just like every other time they've tried to stop it.





Really DragonBallz?


According to the National Journal’s Influence Alley, at the very same time the American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP)—the health insurance industry super lobby—was cutting a deal with the White House leading to its stated support of the proposed Obamacare legislation, they were secretly funneling huge amounts money to the Chamber of Commerce to be spent on advertising designed to convince the public that the legislation should be defeated.

So, why would AHIP try to secretly destroy a legislative scheme that would drive millions of new customers into their arms thanks to the mandated insurance provisions?

According to Neera Tanden, who served as the senior advisor for health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services and was a member of the Obama White House health reform team, it was all about the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR)—the provision of the ACA that not only requires the health insurance companies to spend 80 percent of your premium dollars on actual health care expenditures, but further requires that they refund to their customers any amounts they fail to spend as required by the MLR.






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mahdragonz
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The reason is because many many conservatives support obamacare. Cancer hits red states too. Lots of religious groups. Business groups. Lobbyists.

It's a philosophical debate, not a real political one.

And not one GOP member has put forward a plan to reduce healthcare costs and improve care.






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Dean, that's exactly right...

Around 10,000 businesses will be affected by the employer mandate. I agree with Ezra Klein that this part of the law should be thrown out. It's the most controversial for businesses because it gives disincentives for new hiring, more part-time employment and more layoffs based on the arbitrary number "50".



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They have been beaten at every turn on Obamacare.
If they really think it's gonna turn out so badly, they should let the funding kick in and watch the fireworks. Ride the shite sandwich right into The White House.






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mahdragonz
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Read this from Forbes, certainly not a liberal magazine.

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Doctors Still Back Obamacare's Individual Mandate Despite Emboldened GOP

Doctor groups still support the Affordable Care Act's requirement that individuals buy health insurance despite a Republican push to delay the idea. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Major physician groups continue to back the requirement that individuals buy health insurance even while Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives push a delay for an idea long supported by doctors and the health insurance industry.

In the wake of the Obama administration’s decision to delay by a year a mandate for employers to offer health coverage to their workers or face penalties, House Republicans want the same treatment for individuals.


But major physician groups, including the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Family Physicians say they continue to support the individual mandate. Under the Affordable Care Act, uninsured individuals, with the help of federal subsidies of up to about $5,000 depending on income, will be able to begin purchasing health insurance effective Jan. 1, 2014. These individuals are expected to begin shopping on exchanges October 1 of this year.






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The country would seriously be better off without it.

Obama so much as admitted this by shutting down a major component of it. Many Democrats are openly admitting it as well.

Shutting it down is the sensible thing to do, but the gutless wonders in D.C. probably won't do it.
Obama is gutless because he is afraid of humiliation. Many in the GOP are gutless because they don't want to risk losing their lucrative sinecures.



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