re: Springfield XDS vs. Smith and Wesson M&P Shield

quote:

---

buy a compact pistol instead of a subcompact. Who wants to go to the range and shoot a gun that makes you look like you're sipping tea when you hold it?

---

Subcompact is no problem, especially with a Pearce Grip extension. I have an XDS 45ACP. Each of my 5-round mags has one of these:

Pearce Grip

Plus, you can get a 7-round mag.

I have huge hands and this small gun is not a problem with the Pearce grip or a 7-round mag.

Also, it is a "range gun" only for the sake practicing with it, which you need to do if you plan on carrying it.

Shield owner here. I shoot it better than my Glock 17.

XDS for me. Have had mine for a year and a half or so. No complaints at all. Was only able to fondle a blue Shield before buying my XDS and I clearly chose bullet size over gun size.

Keep in mind, most people saying one way or another have not shot both guns (myself included). However, I have had both and own a XDS.

Great post.

quote:

---

Smith and Wesson M&P Shield

---

easy

quote:

---

Was that even remotely on topic to anything in this thread? I hijacked it sure (tiny gun no bueno), but damn that was caliber war slash XD troll post.

---

It really was an excellent troll post. He went as far to claim that the quoted Dr. was the foremost ballistics expert in the world. There are a lot of people in the world, are you sure?

The thing I cannot figure out, in a CC gun, would you want 8+1 rounds of 9mm or 7+1 of .45 acp? I personally would want one less round and the extra 100+ grains per bullet. If you want the extra round, I understand that too. But to say that the .45 is extremely limited in capacity is just silly. Those round counts are for the Shield and XDS with factory mags.

I can also see why LEOs would want as many bullets as possible. After seeing how many dozens of bullets that were shot at the two innocent women delivering news papers in the Dorner search and only one being hit, in the hand. Or how Boston PD, FBI, and other "specially trained" officers shot hundreds of rounds at the bombing suspect in the boat and only hit him once or twice. And lets not forget that LAPD only hit their intended target less than 30% of the time.

I kid, I kid.

quote:

---

It really was an excellent troll post. He went as far to claim that the quoted Dr. was the foremost ballistics expert in the world. There are a lot of people in the world, are you sure? The thing I cannot figure out, in a CC gun, would you want 8+1 rounds of 9mm or 7+1 of .45 acp? I personally would want one less round and the extra 100+ grains per bullet. If you want the extra round, I understand that too. But to say that the .45 is extremely limited in capacity is just silly. Those round counts are for the Shield and XDS with factory mags. I can also see why LEOs would want as many bullets as possible. After seeing how many dozens of bullets that were shot at the two innocent women delivering news papers in the Dorner search and only one being hit, in the hand. Or how Boston PD, FBI, and other "specially trained" officers shot hundreds of rounds at the bombing suspect in the boat and only hit him once or twice. And lets not forget that LAPD only hit their intended target less than 30% of the time. I kid, I kid

---

I could be wrong, but I believe I said "You won't find a person alive who knows more about terminal ballistics of SD handguns and rifles."

If you have read actually Doctor Rogers' credentials, and then have found a more credible source, I would love to know who that person is. I consider myself to be a student of such matters and am always seeking to learn.

If you, or any other member, hasn't taken the time to review Dr. Robert's CV before posting opinions that counter his, I can only say that I'm impressed.

For those who haven't bothered to look at Doc GKR's credentials, here's a very brief synopsis:

Dr. Roberts is currently on staff at Stanford University Medical Center; this is a large teaching
hospital and Level I Trauma center were he performs hospital dentistry and surgery. After
completing his residency at Navy Hospital Oakland in 1989 while on active military duty, he studied
at the Army Wound Ballistic Research Laboratory at the Letterman Army Institute of Research and
became one of the first members of the International Wound Ballistic Association. Since then, he
has been tasked with performing military, law enforcement, and privately funded independent
wound ballistic testing and analysis. He remains a Navy Reserve officer and has recently served
on the Joint Service Wound Ballistic IPT, as well as being a consultant to the Joint FBI-USMC
munitions testing program and the TSWG MURG program. He is frequently asked to provide wound
ballistic technical assistance to numerous U.S. and allied SOF units and organizations. In addition,
he is a technical advisor to the Association of Firearms and Toolmark Examiners, as well as to a
variety of Federal, State, and municipal law enforcement agencies. He has been a sworn Reserve
Police Officer in the San Francisco Bay Area, where he now he serves in an LE training role.



Now I'm certainly not suggesting that Dr. Roberts know more about handgun selection that most members here. I was simply posting some info that might, hopefully, serve to enlighten the 5% who aren't trained experts on such matters.

And I apologize to those whom I may have offended by passing along advice from such an ill-educated and inexperienced source.

Dayum -- now you sound like my wife. I swear she says that three times/day.

Guess I shouldn't have banned her from my CCW class.

quote:

---

Guess I shouldn't have banned her from my CCW class.

---

I consider myself to be a very tolerant person.

After all, I let Josey take the class.

To get back on point ...

Personally, I have and use as my EDC an XDs 45. I have a 40 and a 9 in conceal carry sizes. I think the XDs is better in my hand.

Guns are like any other piece of "clothing" find the one that fits you the best. ANYTHING is better than nothing.