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re: Sources: ESPN laying off hundreds
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the only way this power exists is government, though. if you want to remove this influence, you have to scale back the power of government
no, the powers of the gov't are not the problem
the problem not enough people pay attention to what the politicians actually do and never demand that serial abusers are ridden out of office and into jail
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 4:36 pm
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Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:36 pm to Dr RC
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that really depends on your definition of being "better off" means
i mean we can start with simple things like birth rate, average life epectancy, etc
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You can't just simply say something so all encompassing like that without actual facts and analysis.
i really can't think of a measure that would make our poor better off than in the past
they're fat, they live longer, their babies survive more often, they have access to public education, they have access to public medical care, they have access to the same luxury goods that the rich have, etc
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IMO if the advances of the rich are at the expense of a strong middle class then it is not to the benefit of our society as a whole.
can you define what the "middle class" is, and what a "Strong" middle class is?
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I'd rather pay $1 more for the widget Fat Cat makes in the US
you would. the vast majority of people (especially the poor) wouldn't
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if it means less adults are going to end up in shite arse jobs like Wal Mart
wal-mart isn't that bad of a job...especially an entry level job
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where they will purposely keep your hours low to avoid paying insurance and encourage you to get on welfare.
sounds like government should stop providing welfare or creating the incentive to link insurance to employment
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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are you claiming that government itself is unethical?
Of course the government is unethical. That's why John Locke published his works and we set up a 3 tiered system based on his theories so each branch could check the other.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:37 pm to Dr RC
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no, the powers of the gov't are not the problem
you're 100% wrong here
if the federal government didn't have expansive taxation powers, how could "big corporations" manipulate the tax scheme?
the only way to remove this power is to...remove the power
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:43 pm to Dr RC
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IMO if the advances of the rich are at the expense of a strong middle class then it is not to the benefit of our society as a whole.
Every class we have lives better than it has in the past.
Problem is, some will never be happy until they are all equal, which is a subjective thing.
ESPN lays off people, and some get all pissed off. Maybe, just maybe...those positions are no longer necessary.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
in very general terms I'd say the middle class should be roughly 60% of the population earning the medium salary.
I'm afraid this could go into many pages and while I am enjoying this convo I'll have to hang it up for now.
we will have to agree to disagree but I'll book mark this thread if you really want to keep it up and hopefully my lazy arse will get back to it in the near future.
I'm afraid this could go into many pages and while I am enjoying this convo I'll have to hang it up for now.
we will have to agree to disagree but I'll book mark this thread if you really want to keep it up and hopefully my lazy arse will get back to it in the near future.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:03 pm to Dr RC
the median salary in the US is like $45k. most people, in these discussions, consider that unliveable
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're 100% wrong here
if the federal government didn't have expansive taxation powers, how could "big corporations" manipulate the tax scheme?
the only way to remove this power is to...remove the power
and as my parting shot, no its not the govt.
its the corporations and the greedy asses who run them who feel absolutely no obligation to making the country better than they left it to the point that they feel the need to subvert the system are the problem.
those same people would still be doing shitty shite and f-ing people over even if the gov't wasn't there to tax them or draw up laws.
I'm sorry but to believe they would stop being nefarious if the bad old gov't just left them alone is naive to the nth degree.
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:10 pm to Dr RC
quote:I believe you have a problem with corporatism and are doing a horrible job of explaining it
and as my parting shot, no its not the govt. its the corporations and the greedy asses who run them who feel absolutely no obligation to making the country better than they left it to the point that they feel the need to subvert the system are the problem. those same people would still be doing shitty shite and f-ing people over even if the gov't wasn't there to tax them or draw up laws. I'm sorry but to believe they would stop being nefarious if the bad old gov't just left them alone is naive to the nth degree
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:10 pm to Dr RC
Name something the govt does better than the private sector besides mass murder.
Ill wait
Ill wait
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:17 pm to Dr RC
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but to believe they would stop being nefarious
nefarious? like what? firing people?
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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ESPN lays off people, and some get all pissed off. Maybe, just maybe...those positions are no longer necessary.
Well, I think its funny that ESPN is trying to take over the TV sports world with SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much money for broadcast contracts that they will blow themselves up......
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:20 pm to Dr RC
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and as my parting shot, no its not the govt.
its the corporations and the greedy asses who run them who
It's called corporatism and the govt is very much to blame.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:23 pm to dukke v
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Well, I think its funny that ESPN is trying to take over the TV sports world with SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much money for broadcast contracts that they will blow themselves up......
I think maybe ESPN has gone a bit too far, time will tell, but If there was that much money to be made, someone else would be jumping into the fray. ESPN has done a great job at what they do (whether I like it or not) but someone else will step up at some point.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:25 pm to timbo
Saban made em quit
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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ESPN has done a great job at what they do (whether I like it or not)
Can't argue this......
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:34 pm to dukke v
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Well, I think its funny that ESPN is trying to take over the TV sports world with SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much money for broadcast contracts that they will blow themselves up......
Well with the new tennis contract, an SEC Network, other contracts, and the demands that these increased live sporting events require, they would actually need more employees.
Oh, I know. They'll hire a few hundred kids out of college and pay them shite because they'll take it because you can say you work for ESPN, and then fire them five years later when they realize how woefully underpaid they are.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:37 pm to lsutigers1992
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Oh, I know. They'll hire a few hundred kids out of college and pay them shite because they'll take it because you can say you work for ESPN,
shite...I forgot that was the workers' only option.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 5:38 pm to dukke v
Man, I remember the early days of ESPN and the shite they would show... Damn near didn't make it, if not for Anheuser Bush.
Damn near didn't make it, if not for Anheuser Bush. 
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