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re: So I have finally settled on a Smith and Wesson M&P for my first hand gun

Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:02 pm to
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bag of dicks

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my HK.

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sorry

Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4468 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:35 pm to
9mm if you want affordable ammo.
That will bounce off a windshield.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:37 pm to
I need to do some research onathe apex trigger. Thats something I can do myself right?


Flashlight on the gun is a nono right?
Someone said it would help incase of emergency.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:39 pm to
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So I have finally settled on a Smith and Wesson M&P for my first hand gun


Great choice!

Watch these two videos to figure out your answer to this:

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so what do yall suggest? 9mm or 40?


M&P Review

Caliber and Felt Recoil

Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:40 pm to
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I need to do some research onathe apex trigger. Thats something I can do myself right?


With a small punch set, yes. They have step-by-step videos online.

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Flashlight on the gun is a nono right?


I see it as much better than a handheld one because you can keep both hands on the gun. I would suggest a TLR-1s for a light and a TLR-2s for a light/laser combo.

Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:43 pm to
Are there lights that are pressure sensitive to the grip? Like one that I could turn on and off without moving my hands?

Would be nice to not have a big light on when going down the stairs. Just havw it come on when I need it
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:46 pm to
Streamlights are actuated by your trigger finger pushing down and Surefire lights are actuated by pushing a button forward with your trigger finger. And both have a strobe feature.

They make lasers that are actuated by pressure, but not sure if they make lights that operate the same way.
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4468 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:07 pm to
Light on a handgun -- "Hey, Mr. intruder, I'm right here."
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:25 pm to
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Light on a handgun -- "Hey, Mr. intruder, I'm right here."


I agree that the light shouldn't be on until you think you have a target in front of you.

But if you've never tried to look directly into a 300 lumen light when your eyes are fully dilated, you don't realize how insanely blinding it is. It is even more disorienting if it strobes. I think a light is very effective when used properly.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:34 pm to
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Streamlights are actuated by your trigger finger pushing down and Surefire lights are actuated by pushing a button forward with your trigger finger. And both have a strobe feature.


k thanks
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4468 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 3:12 pm to
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quote:Light on a handgun -- "Hey, Mr. intruder, I'm right here." I agree that the light shouldn't be on until you think you have a target in front of you. But if you've never tried to look directly into a 300 lumen light when your eyes are fully dilated, you don't realize how insanely blinding it is. It is even more disorienting if it strobes. I think a light is very effective when used properly.


Excellent point. That is why I have a 3800 lumen light within reach of my bed. That bitch hurts, and the strobe will make you realize why they use strobes to induce seizures.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 3:15 pm to
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That is why I have a 3800 lumen light within reach of my bed. That bitch hurts


You are ready to go, bro. I bet that shite does hurt.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 4:34 pm to
so you would recommend streamlight?
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 4:47 pm to
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so you would recommend streamlight?


For sure. They are just as waterproof as the Surefires and cost less. They also have better light spill and not just a single "hotspot" like the Surefire lights. While Surefires are still very good, I think the Streamlights are a better value.

I love mine and it sits on my HD gun.

This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 5:01 pm to
what kind of bullets are those? those HP? i just read they were illegal? dammit, what to believe!!!!


what kind of ammo should i go with for the night stand?
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 5:04 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 5:15 pm to
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what kind of ammo should i go with for the night stand?


Winchester Ranger, Fed HST, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber
124 grain or bigger

Don't buy hydrashok
Don't buy 115 gr Hornady unless you can't get anything else.

Buy it then back order 3 more mags

Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 5:29 pm to
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what kind of bullets are those? those HP?


Pictured are Hornady XTP but now I have a different combo of JHPs in my different guns:

Remington Golden Saber
Speer Gold Dot
Federal HST
Hornady Critical Duty
Winchester PDX1
Federal Hydrashok (I don't know why Uway doesn't like them^)

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i just read they were illegal? dammit, what to believe!!!!



Unless you live in a backwards state, they are legal. They are also the best for self defense. If you have time to watch this (I know it's long), or if you want to skip to the proper section of the video, I explain why they are ideal for self defense:

Hollow points

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what kind of ammo should i go with for the night stand?


Just don't use any type of FMJ. But the list I posted up there^ is what I trust my guns to be loaded with so that would be a good place to start.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 5:34 pm
Posted by LouisianaChessie
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2010
2582 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:16 pm to
Great choice of handgun. Order the apex duty Cary kit, ram kit, and aluminum trigger. You'll get a good laugh when people try your gun. It's awesome and you can do it yourself.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:24 pm to
i am going to buy the gun before i order all that stuff.... because i dont even know what half of that is
Posted by LouisianaChessie
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2010
2582 posts
Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:26 pm to
It's all tiny metal pieces with a whole through them and a bunch of springs. Without the videos I couldn't in good faith tell you to buy those three things but with the videos buy them... They're awesome.

Eta: sorry if that came across a little pushy. Just tryin to help. They will vastly improve your accuracy with the gun.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 6:28 pm
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