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re: Tuesday 3/5 Match Thread
Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:52 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:52 pm to tigerfan88
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Red cards are stupid. They need to have an orange card, or allow you to sub on another guy if you still have a sub available.
i agree. like i said earlier, a "strong yellow" but orange works better as a term
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Just saw the replay. Probably a yellow, but wasn't as horrific a red as twitter led me to believe.
*ducks*
*ducks*
Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:58 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Go look at what someone edited Roy Keane's wiki page to 
Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:58 pm to joey barton
Great interview
Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:59 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I just want to say that this incident is really not much different from the nigel de jong vs xabi alonso incident. Both involved players going for the ball without "intent" to injure. When that went down people on here were screaming bloody murder how it was a straight red. At the time I didn't feel that the de jong tackle was a red because he was going for the ball and not really aware of alonso. With today's incident I still feel that it isn't a red no matter how bad it looks.
That being said, I have seen straight reds given for just having their studs showing regardless of how much of the other player was contacted. Vincent Kompany's sending off against arsenal last year LINK
I also recall scholes on zabaleta LINK
United fans feel shafted which I can understand, but welcome to the world of soccer. Time heals all wounds. Players need to understand now that you cannot even give the ref that decision to make. The benefit of gaining possession in that part of the pitch isn't worth the risk.
That being said, I have seen straight reds given for just having their studs showing regardless of how much of the other player was contacted. Vincent Kompany's sending off against arsenal last year LINK
I also recall scholes on zabaleta LINK
United fans feel shafted which I can understand, but welcome to the world of soccer. Time heals all wounds. Players need to understand now that you cannot even give the ref that decision to make. The benefit of gaining possession in that part of the pitch isn't worth the risk.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:08 pm to puffulufogous
I think that it all comes back to the nebulous dangerous play and who decides how to play what.
It was a hard foul, but Nani was just trying to bring the ball down over his shoulder.
Like Stewie, I still think that Real Madrid would have at least sent it into extra time, but I would have preferred to see it actually happen.
It was a hard foul, but Nani was just trying to bring the ball down over his shoulder.
Like Stewie, I still think that Real Madrid would have at least sent it into extra time, but I would have preferred to see it actually happen.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:16 pm to puffulufogous
Good post.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:19 pm to puffulufogous
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When that went down people on here were screaming bloody murder how it was a straight red.
this was going to be my exact comparison before td shite itself for a few minutes
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That being said, I have seen straight reds given for just having their studs showing regardless of how much of the other player was contacted. Vincent Kompany's sending off against arsenal last year
i think there was a similar sending off in a city game this year. minimal contact, but studs up, got the red
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
There is a difference. De jong is notorious for his bad tackles. Just like divers often don't get legit penalties called bc of their reputations.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:28 pm to PTBob
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There is a difference. De jong is notorious for his bad tackles. Just like divers often don't get legit penalties called bc of their reputations.
you realize you're doing exactly what i said y'all were doing, right?
you're not arguing the actual scenario...just trying to compare it to other situations that have no bearing on today
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:30 pm to joey barton
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It was a hard foul, but Nani was just trying to bring the ball down over his shoulder.
This. This. This. This is why it shouldnt be a red. Everyone and their mother could see that he was trying to pull the ball down out of the air, his studs were facing the ground, not perpindicular like he was kicking someone.
I do think the ref had no clear view at the play, though, which is why it resulted in the red. I wish the assistant official or 4th official would have stepped up to the center (if they had a clear view).
FYI, I'm an arsenal fan, and I hate both these teams.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:33 pm to puffulufogous
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I just want to say that this incident is really not much different from the nigel de jong vs xabi alonso incident. Both involved players going for the ball without "intent" to injure.
Intent is not a part of the equation. It's not like the infamous vague handball rule. If intent was a function of the law, players could throw themselves at each other to get the ball, with little repercussion because they aren't "trying" to injure each other.
See my post from the "Tonight Was a Disgrace" thread.
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Any player who lunges at an opponent when challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent, is guilty of serious foul play.
Source: Laws of the Game
The ref deemed Nani's challenge as one of excessive force and endangering of Arbeloa's safety. Therefore, the call is correct. It could be argued that there was not excessive force behind Nani's challenge, but there is not an argument that it wasn't dangerous.
There is no way that De Jong's challenge wasn't excessive, or dangerous.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:38 pm to thenry712
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There is no way that De Jong's challenge wasn't excessive, or dangerous.
yeah, Howard Webb has said that he didnt have the best angle on that call, but in retrospect, he should have sent him off...
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"The trouble in the actual game was that I had a poor view of that particular incident. I was looking through the back of Alonso and though I could see the foot was high, I could not be certain of the extent of the contact. It wasn't that I didn't want to send anyone off because it was a World Cup final, though I was mindful of the fact that the game was the pinnacle of the players' careers as well as of mine. I just wasn't prepared to take a guess 25 minutes into the game
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
YOU and puff are comparing it. I'm refuting your argument. Pretty simple
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:43 pm to PTBob
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De jong is notorious for his bad tackles. Just like divers often don't get legit penalties called bc of their reputations.
that doesnt have anything to do with this.
I was just making a point that the two offences were very similar.
Some of you guys, not necessarily you PTbob, are seeing how you want to see it. To me nani today was just as guilty of dangerous play as de jong was. The results were different which is really frustrating but you have to have some continuity of what is and isn't a red card offense.
ETA don't get me wrong I am not saying that nani should have been a red card. I am only listing comparable events and showing that they are regarded very differently in the public eye.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:46 pm to TFTC
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There is no way that De Jong's challenge wasn't excessive, or dangerous.
excessive and dangerous yes, but I don't feel that it was malicious.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:53 pm to PTBob
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YOU and puff are comparing it.
comparing act/reaction and act/reaction
not personalities or histories of the players or antyhing tangential like that
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:56 pm to thenry712
But, I don't think that he was lunging at an opponent. He was lunging at where the ball will be, sure, but I think that, if anyone, Arbeloa threw himself into the challenge.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 5:57 pm to joey barton
Yeah, I still don't think he was going after Arbeloa. He was going for the ball IMO.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 3/5/13 at 6:10 pm to WarSlamEagle
It's over and ill be pissed for a couple days but it'll be ok. I just hate for a game to be decided like that is all. I think Ronaldo enjoyed his return and hopefully he returns. We were better tonight and I think he knows that.
Here's to hoping.
Here's to hoping.
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