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What will happen? Bushrod, Smith, Vilma, Harper, and 1st draft pick....

Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:17 am
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:17 am
I think we resign Bushrod, restructure Smith, cut Vilma, keep Harper, and draft OLB with the first pick.

Bushrod: hard to find a good OT and don't want to waste the 15th pick due to other needs (unless one of the great OL fall to us, but I don't see it happening)

Smith: if he takes a pay cut, he would be a good fit for the 3-4

Vilma: gone - too much money for an aging/injured player

Harper: IMO, he will be revitalized in this new defensive scheme

15th pick: with the scenario above, I don't see how we don't go OLB (we should have Mingo or Jordan, or even Jones fall to us at 15
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 9:21 am
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:27 am to
I'm not against resigning Bushrod, but only at the right price.

Smith is garbage IMO.

I think we could still use Vilma.

I would love to trade Harper and get that awful contract off of our books.
Posted by MISSIPSAINT
Magee
Member since Feb 2013
438 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:30 am to
I would like to resign Bushrod.Really think continuity on a O-line is critical. I think cutting Smith makes more sense at this point.Saves a lot of money,but we will loose some dead money. Cut Vilma just dont see the leadership out-weighing the production. I would trade Harper, move Jenkens to Nickel or CB and let Corey White play SS.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:41 am to
We will get rid of Harper (via part of trade), restructure Smith and Vilma to clear space, sign Bushrod for a reasonable price, and we will sign the following:

Edward Reed
Charles Woodson
Darelle Revis













































Posted by monroesaintsfan
monroe
Member since Feb 2010
309 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:49 am to
I don't know what will happen but what I'd like to happen:

Get a cheaper FA than Bushrod (Bryant Mckinney, maybe) if possible. If not bite the bullet on Bushrod and sign him, the only three legitimate LOT's in the draft will be gone by 15.

Cut Smith unless he wants to stay for the minimum. Cut him even then unless he can beat out everyone else.

If Vilma will stay on the cheap..keep for depth and experience. Unless I'm wrong he's the only lb on the team with 3-4 experience.

Hard to say with Harper. Definitely don't want with existing price.

Unless Jones or Jordan are there, which is highly unlikely with Jordan, try to move back if a partner is available. I don't really want Mingo at 15....now, excuse me while I dodge the LSU homer bombs.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:58 am to
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Bushrod: hard to find a good OT and don't want to waste the 15th pick due to other needs (unless one of the great OL fall to us, but I don't see it happening)

Agree, I want to keep him.

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Smith: if he takes a pay cut, he would be a good fit for the 3-4

Completely disagree. Only way I would be ok with him staying if he takes a huuuuge paycut. But then again I still don't see a fit.

quote:

Vilma: gone - too much money for an aging/injured player

I think Vilma fits more than Smith does. Would like to see him stay at a huge discount, even if only for backup reps and his leadership and on the field smarts.

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Harper: IMO, he will be revitalized in this new defensive scheme

I agree. I think he either stays and restructures or he could be part of a trade.

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15th pick: with the scenario above, I don't see how we don't go OLB (we should have Mingo or Jordan, or even Jones fall to us at 15

At this point, I think Jordan is at about 5% chance of being around. I think our best chance is at Jones with a small chance at Mingo.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 10:02 am
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 9:59 am to
What about Ansah?
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
6930 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 10:01 am to
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I don't really want Mingo at 15


I think he would be the perfect 3-4 OLB. I'd rather Jones, but I think he will be gone by 15.

Also, I know I'm in the minority, but I think Smith wants to stay a Saint and realizes he is getting too old to demand the money he is currently making in the open market.
Posted by monroesaintsfan
monroe
Member since Feb 2010
309 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 10:07 am to
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What about Ansah?


Was forgetting about him. Yeah, I could get on board with him. I know some project him at OLB but if he were brought in as a DE and Hicks could be a legitimate NT, that'd be a young potentially dominating d line. Let Bunkley and Hicks rotate, with Johnson and maybe walker for depth at DE. Show Smith the door.
Posted by monroesaintsfan
monroe
Member since Feb 2010
309 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 10:19 am to
quote:

in the minority, but I think Smith wants to stay a Saint


I don't know if you are or not. Seems like there are about as many wanting him back as wanting him gone.

One thing about him staying with the scheme change that makes me wonder about him is which side of the line would he play on. He's never played that much in 3-4 to begin with and I'd really like to see Jordan on the right side. Would playing predominately in a different scheme and making him switch sides be too much to ask at his age?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64322 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Get a cheaper FA than Bushrod (Bryant Mckinney, maybe) if possible. If not bite the bullet on Bushrod and sign him, the only three legitimate LOT's in the draft will be gone by 15.


Cut Smith unless he wants to stay for the minimum. Cut him even then unless he can beat out everyone else.

If Vilma will stay on the cheap..keep for depth and experience. Unless I'm wrong he's the only lb on the team with 3-4 experience.

Hard to say with Harper. Definitely don't want with existing price.

Yup
Would add a invitation to Mr Jenkins to return back to the CB role.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 1:27 pm
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2010
17886 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

I think we resign Bushrod, restructure Smith, cut Vilma, keep Harper, and draft OLB with the first pick.


I agree with all of this.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23600 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

I think we resign Bushrod, restructure Smith, cut Vilma, keep Harper, and draft OLB with the first pick


resign Bushrod, only at the right price… may command too much… if so, McKinnie may be a better option, and since he's played alongside Grubbs before, there won't be too much drop off….

we need bodies at DE, so Smith needs to take a STEEP pay cut… of course, he doesn't have to, and if he doesn't, i think we are kinda stuck… would cost more to cut him outright, and again, we need bodies at the position…

Vilma is gone… i love him for what he's done on and off the field for us, but keep in mind, the reason he was expendable to the Jets was he didn't fit the 3-4…. and now we are to believe that he can fit it now?? nah, i ain't buying that bullshite….

Harper is a lot like Smith… we need bodies at the position…. perhaps we should have looked at George Wilson when the Bills cut him, but he's in Tennessee now, so….

our first rounder depends on what we do with Bushrod…. if we keep him, we can go OLB… if we don't, and McKinnie/another quality LT isn't available before the draft, we HAVE to go T… we have to protect our $100 million man, and Charles Brown is not the guy for the job...
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 2:09 pm to
Okay, it's one thing if some of you don't think Smith fits in a 3-4. But for the same people to say that Vilma would be a good fit, I just don't know what's happening lol.

First of all, Vilma is a small LB, which is not good for a 3-4. Second, he is only with the Saints to begin with because the Jets and Vilma agreed he needed out of the 3-4. Also, he has lost way more as a player than Smith has in my opinion.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64322 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

he has lost way more as a player than Smith has in my opinion.


I'll say the opposite.
I don't think there is any upside or unknown play coming from Smith.
But people forget Vilma missed camp ,pre-season and a large portion of the season all while coming in late to a new defensive cord. and scheme.
Plus I think Vilma has a huge chip on his shoulder concerning last year and Godell. If his body is willing I think his mind is damn ready. I do not question his desire to compete for a role like I do with Smith.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 3:01 pm
Posted by BlacknGold
He Hate Me
Member since Mar 2009
12046 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 3:49 pm to
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I would love to trade Harper and get that awful contract off of our books.



do you think loomis looks at that contract and just wonders what he was thinking at the time? do you think he realizes he overpaid harper?
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
6930 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 3:57 pm to
I understand Harper is overpaid for his poor performance lately, but if he takes a small pay cut, he will earn his pay in the new scheme (run stopper & blitzing are his two strongest assests).
Posted by Cajun Invasion
Abbeville, Louisianna
Member since Jan 2012
1799 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 4:01 pm to
Bushrod=resigned
smith/vima= restructured
Harper= restructured or traded
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30109 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 4:09 pm to
harper is on the books for 2 more years at 15 million?


how much of a paycut would we need for him to be in an "acceptable" range? 2yr/10m? I think that would make me a happy camper, 5m a year isn't bad until we can find a real safety
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 3/2/13 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Smith: if he takes a pay cut, he would be a good fit for the 3-4


What in the hell are you basing this statement on?
The man hasn't been a top tier performer since he put his name on the dotted line on the second contract.

At best, he's been average and way overpaid. Ship his arse down the road.

As for Bushrod, he made $6.75 mill this year and he'll be looking for a hefty raise. There's no way he's worth $8.5 to $10 mill a year...the Saints don't have that kind of money to throw around.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 4:25 pm
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