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uway
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Kinda one of those "Free speech...cannot yell FIRE in a crowded theater" things.


I'm not going to debate this thread in this post, but on this point, I think you should reconsider.

Yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is prima facie an irresponsible use of the right to free speech.
Concealed carry is not a prima facie irresponsible use of the right to keep and bear arms.








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boosiebadazz
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he meant more that rights are unfettered and not susceptible to restrictions







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Meauxjeaux
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If you read the 2nd amendment literally, it seems that someone forcing an individual to register for concealed carry license, that is not otherwise prohibited from carrying a weapon, is an infringement upon their constitutional rights.


The 2A makes no distinction of this.

It does not say the right if the "well adjusted" people, or the right of "the entitled" people or even the right of the "law enforcement or government employed" people.

It is what it is. And I agree there may be decades worth of shitty law that needs to be undone.



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deltaland
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I don't see whether carrying a concealed gun matters if it is within the 2nd amendment rights. It is also not forbidden by the Constitution which means that States can decide whether to allow it or not.





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Jma313
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If you can conceal well no one will ever know you have the thing. That being said watch no one actually follow the law and I bet CO does not stop issuing permits because of the money they make off of them





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Tigerlaff
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No problem with this ruling. I don't like it, but it is consistent. Open carry for all.





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BlackHelicopterPilot
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he meant more that rights are unfettered and not susceptible to restrictions




This.

I was equating.

I'm not even posting my personal wish.

I am simply accepting that there are restrictions and this MAY be one of them. I've never thaough about it.

But, I would say I never expected that CC was a "right" and did not require some sort of state permit, etc.






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WikiTiger
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This is settled law...is it not?


Settled law does not always equate to constitutional or correct law.

For instance, the 1st amendment clearly states "Congress shall make no law..." and yet there are laws that prohibit obscenity. And they are enforced.

Is obscenity settled law? Sure. It is enforced with violent fervor? Of course. It is right? No.

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I gave the common example of "FIRE"


You shouldn't use that example. The case it originated in was superseded by Brandenburg v. Ohio, and it changed the criteria for limiting speech. (imminent lawless action vs. clear and present danger)

But again, even Brandeburg is wrong because it limits where no limits are allowed.






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chadau79
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I don't like it, but it is consistent. Open carry for all.


Agreed. I don't like that you have to have a permit to conceal, but I abide by it. If there is no conceal permit available then everyone can open carry.






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davesdawgs
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I have.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

You are infringing upon the people's right to bear arms by ruling CC unconstitutional.



While I agree, many will say that the framers probably didn't envision concealed carry. Does the right to keep and bear arms mean in your home or on your person? Ultimately the Supreme Court will decide. If they rule against it, then clearly a provision would have to be made for protectors of high level officials like the President. It just seems like a slippery slope of interpolation. My take as any ambiguity in the Constitution should be left up to the states. We already have cities like Chicago basically overriding the Constitution in favor of gun restrictions, I see no reason why other cities and states can't favor concealed carry regardless of the Supreme Court decision.






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uway
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he meant more that rights are unfettered and not susceptible to restrictions


But the justification for the restriction is what's important and worth talking about, which makes the "FIRE" comparison invalid and misleading IMO.

If a rabid anti-gunner told me that it was ok to ban semi-automatic firearms b/c it's ok to prohibit raising a panic in a crowded public venue, I would tell him he was full of shite. And I'd be right.






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DeltaDoc
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Should concealed carry applications and records be a public record?





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boosiebadazz
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You're drawing a comparison that he was not trying to







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