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quail man
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Wiki article on PER

eta: mine is best



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PER explanation

ETA: No my link is best I promise.



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quote:

tehchampion140
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PER explanation

ETA: No my link is best I promise.

your's is indeed the best. I had read espn's write up about it before and it didn't really help my understanding. the wiki article made it clearer and your's had the most info

eta: actually I think your's and the wiki had the same info so they were equivalent





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The wiki article was the first link that came up on lmgtfy. I win. I got you the info first in the most smartass way





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your's is




i'm glad you didnt pick mine, which was the exact same as champ's, only the non-mobile version.






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i'm glad you didnt pick mine, which was the exact same as champ's, only the non-mobile version.
I went back and looked at it again and realized they were the same. so I eta'd my post.

also the English language is wrong not me. your's needs an apostrophe to show ownership






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PER is a completely arbitrary "stat" that compiles other stats into a stat with a fancy name that makes people think it's more representative than it really is.





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Problems with PER from the Wiki link:

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PER largely measures offensive performance. Hollinger freely admits that two of the defensive statistics it incorporates -- blocks and steals -- can produce a distorted picture of a player's value and that PER is not a reliable measure of a player's defensive acumen. For example, Bruce Bowen, widely regarded as one of the best defenders in the NBA (at least through the 2006-07 season), has routinely posted single-digit PERs.


The same goes for Def Rating. It puts way too much emphasis on individual stats (blocks, steals) that can often come at the expense of overall team defense.

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In addition, some have argued that PER gives undue weight to a player's contribution in limited minutes, or against a team's second unit, and it undervalues players who have enough diversity in their game to play starter's minutes.


Looking at you, Eric Bledsoe.

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Lastly, PER rewards inefficient shooting. To quote Dave Berri, the author of The Wages of Wins:

"Hollinger argues that each two point field goal made is worth about 1.65 points. A three point field goal made is worth 2.65 points. A missed field goal, though, costs a team 0.72 points. Given these values, with a bit of math we can show that a player will break even on his two point field goal attempts if he hits on 30.4% of these shots. On three pointers the break-even point is 21.4%. If a player exceeds these thresholds, and virtually every NBA player does so with respect to two-point shots, the more he shoots the higher his value in PERs. So a player can be an inefficient scorer and simply inflate his value by taking a large number of shots."


Proof, in my opinion, that PER is a faulty stat. It's supposed to indicate a player's efficiency, but completely ignores his shooting efficiency.



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Proof, in my opinion, that PER is a faulty stat


It has its flaws- some of which you pointed out. It is not a cure all stat.

But I don't know of any other stat that effectively and accurately measures who the top players in the league are each year.

PER is a useful tool to rank players. It's not the be all, end all by any means though.






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quail man
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it has its limitations...but it's a hell of a lot better than just looking at PPG and RPG





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A+: Vasquez
A: Anderson, Mason
B+: Davis
B: Aminu, Gordon
B-: Lopez
C+ : Smith
C-: Roberts
D: Thomas
F: Rivers,
F-: Henry






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Oh my, you guys are hurt. I hope it gets better for y'all. I said David is a c. Would mean he is about what everyone thought he would be. the per, nice.





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Aminu A ?

This guy got benched for part of the season and he's an 'A?' I'm glad he's improved but our SF situation is hardly settled



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