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They aren't, but in my school that's how it was and I expect it's the same in a lot of places. If schools said 'Waiting til marriage is the safest thing to do, but if you're going to have sex here is the safe way to do it,' that would be great.

Unfortunately at my school, it was a religious thing and to drive the point home they showed us slides of syphilitic dicks and vaginal warts. This was at a public school too.






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You allude to yourself as being the rocket scientist that graduated from your alma mater, then a few lines later say that you could have used the tome "Condoms for Dummies".





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I never said that. I did say that kids are stupid though and people don't instinctively know how to put a condom on correctly. Do you disagree?





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Don't be obtuse.


An ironic charge, coming from an admitted peer of dumb arse rednecks.






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Abortion was legal before Roe. Roe made it a Constitutional right which extended it to all 50 states.






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or rather removing the effect from the cause of poor decision making. Women who get pregnant know that when they spread their legs and let another guy stick their penis in them they run the risk of getting pregnant. Guys also know that when they put their little Willie in a girl they run the risk of getting a girl pregnant, yet neither want to take responsibility for it,

I believe in fairness.

Because the WOMAN should have the TOTAL AND FINAL choice of whether or not to carry the baby then it is perfectly consistent and fair that SHE have responsibility for the child. A man should only share responsibility if he has made promises or commitments, whether explicit or circumstantial.







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I would have never imagined in a civilized society of supposed educated people that a practice like abortion could be tolerated. But not only is it tolerated, it is celebrated by some and used as birth control by others. To some it's no more than a mild inconvenience instead the tragedy that it is. The lefts mantra that abortion should be safe, legal and rare is just a illusion and a comforting balm for those who want to flee reality and decide infanticide is a more tolerable choice than responsibility.
The blood of those murdered babies cry out from their graves for justice, but today's society is too busy to hear.



2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
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So you really think making abortion illegal will make it go away? Have you ever looked at what goes on in places where it is illegal?





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The blood of those murdered babies cry out from their graves for justice, but today's society is too busy to hear.


I'll ask you then as I asked earlier...

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Hyperbole, or do you REALLY mean that? I ask, because I think it's clear based solely on the actions taken by those who espouse this belief that it's mostly talk.

If we were talking about 2 year olds instead of fetuses, would those most strongly entrenched in the anti-abortion movement merely stand around and hold signs and protest, or would they do everything in their means to prevent the murder of millions of young children? I, for one, would do everything in my power to forceably prevent the murder of a helpless child. I can;t think of an honorable person who wouldn't...regardless of whether or not it was considered legal to do so.

But that doesn't happen in this case, despite all the talk of murdering babies...why? Could it be despite all the talk about "murdering babies" even the most fervent see a distinction between a live baby and a fetus? If not, is it only self preservation?


Why are you and others not down at abortion clinics physically stopping the murder of babies? what if we were talking about a place to which parents could bring their young children to have murdered legally...would you sit by and condemn that from afar, or would you go down and try and stop it by any means necessary?

I'm telling you point blank that if tomorrow a law was passed making it legal for parents to bring their children 16 and under to a place to be legally executed, I'd fight that. It would clearly be the legalized murder of innocents, and it would be my duty to try and stop it. By your words, you seem to feel the same way about abortion, yet your actions, and the actions of nearly every other person, seem to indicate something else. why?






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Why are you and others not down at abortion clinics physically stopping the murder of babies? what if we were talking about a place to which parents could bring their young children to have murdered legally...would you sit by and condemn that from afar, or would you go down and try and stop it by any means necessary?


You do realize that there are groups all over the country that protest outside clinics everyday? Also, numerous churches hold marches throughout the year in their communities.

Some groups have taken the extreme measures that you suggest by murdering doctors or bombing clinics.

You act as if people only show their prolife support by bashing pro choice people on message boards.






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Of course they are. It's the right wing whackos who have moved to the lower levels of government. At the end of the day, the Republican Party is still a bunch of religious freaks.


I don't believe in god, and although I personally disagree with it, I think it is a reasonable policy stance to forbid this medical procedure.






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GeauxTigerTM
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You act as if people only show their prolife support by bashing pro choice people on message boards.


Maybe you misunderstand my position...I'll be more clear.

If the issue was parents taking their young children down to a place where they could pay someone to kill their kids, I'd like to think that we'd have near universal agreement on this board that would be murder. What then would be the appropriate response to that if it also happened to be legal? Would you say that protesting outside of places like this and marching would be enough? We'd be talking about the systemic murder of children for money. It would be a real holocaust taking place right in front of us...

What I'm suggesting is that we have a problem with semantics here. Many on the anti-abortion side like to use phrases like "murdering babies" but do they REALLY mean that? I ask this sincerely, because I'm not sure that they do. If they did, I'd like to think their reactions would be far more like I'd like to think they would be in my hypothetical situation I proposed. I actually have far more respect for most people than to think they'd REALLY stand by and allow babies to be murdered without taking far stronger action than marching or protesting. Standing by while babies or kids are being murdered is an abhorrent thought to me, and essentially makes you complicit in the act if you do nothing to stop it.

I'm in NO WAY advocating that...let's make that PERFECTLY CLEAR....I'm simply saying that if those people REALLY mean what they say, I think they have to answer for why they don't do more than march or protest on behalf of those babies being murdered. Otherwise they can dial down the hyperbole and actually word towards a solution.






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Always dealing in the effects of our human condition, never the cause of it, namely human behavior. The same for abortion as it is gun violence, politics, our national debt, education, etc, etc, etc, ad nausium.


This is the truth whether you're Catholic, agnostic, athiest, etc... No matter what anyone's affiliation may be, personal responsibility is the issue. If people would be responsible then the vast majority of abortions would be unnecessary.






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Why are you and others not down at abortion clinics physically stopping the murder of babies? what if we were talking about a place to which parents could bring their young children to have murdered legally...would you sit by and condemn that from afar, or would you go down and try and stop it by any means necessary?



This is a country of laws and we live in a free society. Unfortunately, abortion is legal and people have the right to choose it if they like. I could protest every day. I could be unlawful and blow up clinics. I could shoot abortion doctors. But, not only would this be illegal and immoral, it wouldn’t change the reality that many Americans want abortions to remain legal. So I do what I can as a Christian, which is to pray and seek to tell others who want to hear why abortion is so wrong. Vengeance for these atrocities is not in my hands.






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This is a country of laws and we live in a free society. Unfortunately, abortion is legal and people have the right to choose it if they like.


So you're saying this is the exact same point of view you would have if instead of abortion "murdering babies" it was parents bringing their kicking and screaming 10 year olds down to the clinic to be murdered?

I have to be honest, I have more respect for you than that...to think you'd simply chalk it up to being a nation of laws and that murdering 10 year olds is legal, so the best you could do is pray about it. I don't believe this for a second...and that is meant as a compliment to you.






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Maybe you misunderstand my position...I'll be more clear.


No I don't misunderstand the scenario that you have laid forth. However it is an augmented reality that would operate under a different set of rules based on something that caused this societal shift. Therefore I would answer that within the confines of this alternate universe I would say that the protesting landscape would look largely the same.






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I have to be honest, I have more respect for you than that...to think you'd simply chalk it up to being a nation of laws and that murdering 10 year olds is legal, so the best you could do is pray about it. I don't believe this for a second...and that is meant as a compliment to you.



I don't think society has denigrated yet to the point where they would allow ten year olds to be killed. When Hitler took rail cars of Jewish kids to be murdered, no one did anything to stop it. Don't you believe there were people that felt in their hearts that this was wrong but also felt they were incapable of stopping it? I know in my heart it is wrong, but I too feel there is nothing of any magnitude that I can do to stop it. Does this make it less wrong?
I don't understand what the point is that some of you are trying to make. Are you wanting to set certain degrees to wrongness?
Yes, the 10 year old child would be a different scenario because he would be aware of his situation and what was about to happen to him. He would have lived ten years and established an identity and had a chance to make friends and formulate opinions. So in that regards, the murder of the ten year old would be greater in degree, but it doesn't change the fact that abortion of an unborn child is also murder.



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I went to a dumbass Right Wing redneck high school, and instead of teaching kids how to use a condom they showed us pictures of genitalia deformed by STDs and said 'this is what happens if you have sex.'


I obviously don't believe in contraception but the strategy used at your school is horrible.

the way it was explained to me about abstinence education.

don't think of a blue elephant, don't think of a blue elephant, don't think of a blue elephant, don't think of a blue elephant. What are you thinking of. A blue elephant. This is the problem with abstience education is that they say don't have sex don't have sex don't think of sex blah blah blah blah, and you are still thinking about it.

my problem with contraceptives is it makes people think they are "safe" from pregnancy they think it is full proof and fail safe. So they have care free sex, they aren't going t get pregnant. My contraceptives will work. But what if they don't, what if you forgot to take it a couple of times and the effitiveness rate goes down, what if your boyfriend uses an old condom that has a hole in it. My big issue wiht contraceptives outside of the fact that the pill F's up a women's harmon levels and causes an increase in divorce rate. Is that people think that sex is something you shouldn't have ot worry about, you can have it as much as you want to without consequence. But that isn't the reality. The primary goal of sexual relations is reproduction its not the only one but it is one of them. Its not a good thing when you mess with the body to prevent it from doing something it want's to do reproduce.

the great thing about no protection sex is that the fact that you (women) could get pregnant or you could get a girl pregnant is a deterent in itself. If people realize that when I have sex I could get a girl pregnant or I could get pregnant (depending on your sex) Contraceptives remove this natural barrier. That is what I believe you need to push. First teach people the beauty of sex teach them how it is natural to have sex teach them how it is part of God's plan. BUT it should be in moderation, it should only be with your one life time spouse in marriage. Stay away from the dangers of STD's scare tactics don't work. If you can convince someone that waiting is true love then that is the most effective way to do it.






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Why are you and others not down at abortion clinics physically stopping the murder of babies?


As a Christian I do not feel that subjecting young women to this individualized torment over their legal decision is the way to win the argument on abortion. It just makes them feel like shite.

Getting a majority in this country to respect life in all stages of the human experience is what is needed.






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For every person killed with a gun , 120 are killed with a clothes hanger or some drug.
Bust a bald eagle egg and you go to jail and or pay a huge fine.... An unborn human being.. Meh it's ok.

Who the frick are we?






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