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Fox Mulder
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Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?



They have the resources

Would this not deter the scammers from trying to coast on benefits?







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Patrick O Rly
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


I'm confused. Do the companies pay unemployment benefits?





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baybeefeetz
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


Which scammers?





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TROLA
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


They probably do fight them but just because you fire someone for just cause doesn't mean they don't qualify





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Fox Mulder
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


Yes, the companies unemployment tax is determined by the number of claims. One single claim can bump a company into a higher bracket.





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Fox Mulder
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


Someon who is fired for cause yet seeks benefits





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CC
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


When a former employee makes an unemployment claim the company can say at the time that the former employee was fired for cause. It is up to the state to review the claim and either accept or deny it.





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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


quote:

I'm confused. Do the companies pay unemployment benefits?

Yes.






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TROLA
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


If I fire you for stealing g office supplies but you deny it and I can't prove it or isnt worth proving, you will win. If you are a shitty employee who sucks terribly and wastes everyone's time, you will get unemployment.. The system is set up for employees and unless someone quits( and can prove it) you are likely going to lose





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ZereauxSum
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


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Would this not deter the scammers from trying to coast on benefits?


Does this happen in large numbers? I really don't know.

I worked for nearly 4 years at a company that employed about 300 people. During that time only 5 or 6 people were let go of with cause. I know for sure two had jobs immediately after.

I can't imagine it would be worth it for most companies.






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mytigger
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


Employers pay SUTA (State Unemployment Tax Authority), which is based on the unemployment numbers the entire state experienced in the previous year. The company pays a percentage of each employees base wage in taxes.

The employers cost doesn't necessarily go up or down with any significance based on the layoff vs. firing of each employee. And it's not based upon the taxes paid against any individual, it's a tax that goes into a fund and is paid to each employee laid off or ROF'd who can't find gainful unemployment.







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Diamondawg
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


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Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?
We had 7,000 employees. I was 3-0 in my trips down to there.






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Fox Mulder
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


So do people use UE like welfare. It seems like it is, but I don't know.





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TupeloTiger
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


The stores and factories pay a 5% payroll tax for Unemployment checks. It is a range from 1% to 5%,but, you are always paying the max at 5%. One claim for a year moves the tax up to the next higher per cent. The Unemployment hearing always rule against the stores,always, even when the employee lies throught their teeth and makes things up about the store. It is not used to pay for someone laid off for lack of work or a closing as it was intended,it is now used to just give a check to the Democratic applicant. It is State administered,but the Feds like Obama did, can appropriate money to that usage for the UC fund. The people that hold these hearings in the Labor Dept. are all election day campaigners for Democrats. They call on the phone banks,drive the Head Start vans and Planned Parenthood vans to the black nursing homes,etc, for Democratic votes. Obama was the best I've ever seen at this in 36 years of professional political activity.I personally went to dozens of UC hearings for 20 years in my stores and for another several years, I went for Wal-Mart, lost every hearing for every employee that quit and asked to draw UC. Why go???





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Tim
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


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I'm confused. Do the companies pay unemployment benefits?


yes, and they are forced to match 7.65% ss/medicare...it's a scam...if employees were forced to pay their own unemployment and 15.3% on every check for ss/medicare there would be a revolution in this country...keep in mind, businesses are evil, they don't give or pay anything...once again, another dumbass






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VOR
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


quote:

f I fire you for stealing g office supplies but you deny it and I can't prove it or isnt worth proving, you will win. If you are a shitty employee who sucks terribly and wastes everyone's time, you will get unemployment.. The system is set up for employees and unless someone quits( and can prove it) you are likely going to lose



Incorrect. If the employee is fired "for cause" he or she will not collect. Unless, of course, the company is incompetent when it comes to the issue. I used to represent employers in these claims. If the employee was an a-hole, no unemployment compensation.






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LSUconvert
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


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Incorrect. If the employee is fired "for cause" he or she will not collect. Unless, of course, the company is incompetent when it comes to the issue. I used to represent employers in these claims. If the employee was an a-hole, no unemployment compensation.



At least in Oregon, this is true.

If someone was fired with just cause, and company is not incompetent in handling the matter, no benefits.






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TROLA
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


[quote]Incorrect. If the employee is fired "for cause" he or she will not collect. Unless, of course, the company is incompetent when it comes to the issue. I used to represent employers in these claims. If the employee was an a-hole, no unemployment compensation.[/

So I should hire a lawyer costing more than the unemployment bump? I've handled as an owner about ten claims, only one in my current business and have won 7 of them.. I lost a theft fire because I couldn't prove it. I even spoke with the administrator afterwards and he believed me but I had no tangible proof.






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Fox Mulder
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


Did they appeal it? Why did you have to go before an administrator?





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TROLA
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re: Why don't large companies fight unemployment claims?


The process starts with a letter, once filled out and returned(faxed) you will receive a findings letter. At this point you can appeal( both sides) and have an administrative hearing, usually over the phone. The ruling is then made and once again you are issued another letter with the result. I've had about 5 hearing and lost two of them. One time I lost an appeal on paper but I had sold the business before receiving the letter and didn't care.





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