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My dad, uncle and both grandparents who were drafted to fight in wars abroad laugh at you.

Black folks who were alive in 1950 Alabama, Miss, and La laugh at you.

The women of America from only 100 years ago who couldn't vote laugh at you.


You and your damned common sense.






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HailHailtoMichigan!
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Black folks who were alive in 1950 Alabama, Miss, and La laugh at you.

The women of America from only 100 years ago who couldn't vote laugh at you.
This was morally wrong.

My socially conservative, Christian parents went down south annually to register blacks to vote.






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RogerTheShrubber
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The question is, imo, what philosophy best deals with that reality.


None.

All deal with their own version of false reality.






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VOR
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All deal with their own version of false reality.


Probably. Another reason the question in the OP is meaningless.






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My socially conservative, Christian parents went down south annually to register blacks to vote.


Super. Doesn't change the fact that the social conservatives who dominated public policy in the south fought and rioted to keep blacks out of public universities. Feds had to escort black students in Little Rock to school because the social conservatives were violent and local law enforcement refused to act. Society was wanting to progress. Social conservatives fought it.

Sorry the truth hurts.






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HailHailtoMichigan!
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Super. Doesn't change the fact that the social conservatives who dominated public policy in the south fought and rioted to keep blacks out of public universities. Feds had to escort black students in Little Rock to school because the social conservatives were violent and local law enforcement refused to act. Society was wanting to progress. Social conservatives fought it.
Southerners who supported racist policies were morally wrong and misguided. I think you are being unfair in somehow throwing away the philosophy of social conservatism simply because some people opposed black enfranchisement.

Straight from wikipedia:

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social conservatism is a political ideology that focuses on the preservation of what are seen as traditional values. The accepted goals and ideologies related to preserving traditions and morality often varies from group to group within social conservatism. Thus, there are really no policies or positions that could be considered universal among social conservatives.






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RogerTheShrubber
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I think you are being unfair in somehow throwing away the philosophy of social conservatism simply because some people opposed black enfranchisement.


Wasting your time. Some people can't think outside the box.

These kind of of threads end up being nothing but a bunch of silly stereotypes. My parents were "social conservatives" and were very "progressive" with race relations and their dealings with the black community.




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What Is The Ultimate Goal Of Progressivism In US Politics?
communism.






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mograyback
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I wonder how many people in this thread realize that neo-conservativism is actually national socialism. We're being led by national socialists on the republican side and marxist socialists on the democratic side.





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Southerners who supported racist policies were morally wrong and misguided. I think you are being unfair in somehow throwing away the philosophy of social conservatism simply because some people opposed black enfranchisement.


Social conservatives in the south weren't opposed to black enfranchisment. They OPPOSE black enfranchisement today. Nothing has changed accept for their party affiliation. Of course a lot of the lying bastards will deny this but if honesty means anything to them (it generally does not) they will admit the reason they support GOP candidates is because they are sick and tired of black people being given handouts. Go ahead and sale abortion rights and sensible immigration policies to the south and see how quickly they abandon the GOP for a third party which will pander to their racism and hatred. That is how the GOP has garnered power in the south and it has reduced the party to a regional one instead of a national one.






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I wonder how many people in this thread realize that neo-conservativism is actually national socialism. We're being led by national socialists on the republican side and marxist socialists on the democratic side.


This is a pretty fair assessment. Of course not 100% accurate but if you extend either parties course over the next 100 years or so it isn't difficult to see them morphing into the worst of what they could be. The GOP is much closer than the DEMs are, however. The social conservatives who support the GOP, the element which would have no problem emulating the policies of national socialism, are much more prevalent in the GOP than the marxists are on the left, and the GOP faithful are much more invested in their core beleifs. ALl you have to do to convert a yellow dog democrat to fiscal conservatism is get her a decent job and make it possible for her to own some shite. Suddenly she will cuss handouts with the best of them. Not so with the racists and haters in the GOP. Nothing short of a pine box and 6 feet of soil will ever rid them of their ill conceived notions.






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JoBoo
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These kind of of threads end up being nothing but a bunch of silly stereotypes. My parents were "social conservatives" and were very "progressive" with race relations and their dealings with the black community.



"social conservatism is a political ideology that focuses on the preservation of what are seen as traditional values"

The argument today against gay marriage is that people want to stick to "traditional" family values.
The argument in the 60's against integration and civil rights was to hold onto traditional southern values.
The argument in the early/mid 1800's against ending slavery was that it was a traditional southern institution.

Traditional values are nothing more than status quo, especially as it relates to prejudiced and bigoted public policy. They hide under the monicker of "traditional" when in reality it's, "we ain't changing because that's the way it's always been."








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"social conservatism is a political ideology that focuses on the preservation of what are seen as traditional values" The argument today against gay marriage is that people want to stick to "traditional" family values. The argument in the 60's against integration and civil rights was to hold onto traditional southern values. The argument in the early/mid 1800's against ending slavery was that it was a traditional southern institution. Traditional values are nothing more than status quo, especially as it relates to prejudiced and bigoted public policy. They hide under the monicker of "traditional" when in reality it's, "we ain't changing because that's the way it's always been."


That is all fine and well, and largely true. Care to answer the questions as to the ultimate goal of progressivism in US politics or are you going to continue to fight battles that have already been won and lost in the past to prove a point about the future?

Just because a particular thought process was wrong about one thing doesn't mean it is wrong about another...I think you would agree.

When gay marriage is legalized (which will happen), what will be the progressives next agenda? I certainly doubt they just sit back and do nothing?

Will they push to make incest legal or is that too far? What makes something "too far" to progress? Again, what is the end goal?







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