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QBs for 2013
Posted on 3/29/12 at 10:51 am
Posted on 3/29/12 at 10:51 am
it seems as though we are recruiting a lot of national QBs and trying to get in on them early, with that being said how many will we take this year? 1 or 2? or does it dependon teh sitaution of who we get.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 10:59 am to LsuTool
I'd say maximum of 2. We seem to be looking to take a dual threat guy in this years class with Johnson and JT Barrett as our number 1 guys.
I don't think we'd push for 2 if we don't love the guy.
I don't think we'd push for 2 if we don't love the guy.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:01 am to higgsBoson
we arent taking only 1.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:03 am to LsuTool
I really don't see us taking 2.
I don't see any guys that look to be a lean to LSU right now at QB, and the staff hasn't been as aggressive as the last two years at QB, while focussing on dual threat QBs. This leads me to believe that Les wants a dual threat to compliment Rivers and Liggins.
I don't see any guys that look to be a lean to LSU right now at QB, and the staff hasn't been as aggressive as the last two years at QB, while focussing on dual threat QBs. This leads me to believe that Les wants a dual threat to compliment Rivers and Liggins.
This post was edited on 3/29/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:04 am to higgsBoson
J.T. MOTHER EFFIN BARRETT and whoever else
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:07 am to higgsBoson
quote:
Les wants a dual threat to compliment Rivers and Liggins.
then why have we offered conner mitch and the bateman kid?
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:16 am to LsuTool
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then why have we offered conner mitch and the bateman kid?
I don't know about Bateman, but Mitch doesn't have a committable offer.
Not saying I agree with it... But
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:17 am to higgsBoson
Mitch has lsu in the top 3 right now and talks to Krags daily
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:18 am to whodatigahbait
They are recruiting and offering too many guys to be taking only one. If we were only taking one, we'd be focusing on only three or four guys like last year.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:21 am to Captain Crown
if we get barrett or bateman it would be hard to get a good quality no.2 guy who could go to another top quality school and be no.1.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:35 am to Larry Hollins
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if we get barrett or bateman it would be hard to get a good quality no.2 guy who could go to another top quality school and be no.1.
Exactly. We would take two if the right two come along, but we won't take two just to take two.
And we haven't offered an abnormal amount of QBs, and in fact, most that we have "offered" couldn't commit today. We're trying for JT Barret and Johnson first then seeing what unfolds next.
I just don't see any guys who want to come to LSU to be number 2 if we get Johnson or Barret, and I don't see 2 other than those two that the coaches would take both.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 12:38 pm to higgsBoson
LSU is taking 2 QB's this year...Bank on it.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 12:42 pm to Cadello
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LSU is taking 2 QB's this year...Bank on it.
Well see
Posted on 3/29/12 at 12:42 pm to Cadello
I think we get barrett. we won't get a top end no.2 unless we get a project that we like more than other school. think rivers.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 2:07 pm to whodatigahbait
The number of QBs taken in this upcoming recruiting class is dependent on (primarily) one thing: How many total slots do we have???
IMO, we will be able to take only 20 or 21. And if so, I see no way that two of them will be QBs.
6 D-line
5 Secondary
4 O-line
3 Wide receivers
Even if we take 22, that still only leaves four slots left for QB, TB, TE, and LB. And even if we take more than 22, would we take a 2nd QB before a 2nd TE??? Or a 2nd LB???
If we take a full 25 man class, we might take 2 QBs. Personally, I do not see it. For the 2012 season, we will have 2 redshirt freshmen, plus 1 true freshman. There is really no reason to have 5 QBs spread out over just two academic classes - unless the coaches think the current QB situation (Rivers, Randall, and Liggins) is sorely lacking.
IMO, we will be able to take only 20 or 21. And if so, I see no way that two of them will be QBs.
6 D-line
5 Secondary
4 O-line
3 Wide receivers
Even if we take 22, that still only leaves four slots left for QB, TB, TE, and LB. And even if we take more than 22, would we take a 2nd QB before a 2nd TE??? Or a 2nd LB???
If we take a full 25 man class, we might take 2 QBs. Personally, I do not see it. For the 2012 season, we will have 2 redshirt freshmen, plus 1 true freshman. There is really no reason to have 5 QBs spread out over just two academic classes - unless the coaches think the current QB situation (Rivers, Randall, and Liggins) is sorely lacking.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 2:22 pm to Larry Hollins
Agree with everyone in this thread and can see both scenarios(1 or 2). I personally think 2 is the plan with 1 of each style as was the plan last year. The problem is that we are after far many more dual threats than pro style so the 2nd really is dependent on the 1st.(if that can be followed)
Imo Bateman and Barrett/Johnson(don't care that he's listed as a pro style, he's not) are the top guys. If we land Barrett or Johnson 1st then the pickings are slim for a pro style to couple with them. It would likely be someone like a Conner Feist type kid. If we landed a Bateman or Mitch 1st(my prefernce is to get the pro style 1st) then the options for the 2nd spot are much better and more with the guys we already know like Kincaide,McCarley etc. I also don't see 2 of Bateman,Barrett,Johnson,Mitch or Cody Thomas in the class though honestly i can envision a scenario where Mitch or Thomas would agree to commit with another of the others in but it's not likely.
Also think our staff is going to have to make a decision before they want with a couple of these kids. Barrett is close to commiting depending on his OSU visit. We and OSU are the top 2 choices and I don't see him getting through April before commiting but May at the latest. Bateman is likely to commit by early summer so if we want him we'll have to push now. Mitch likely jumps at either LSU or Bama if they give a commitable offer before camp. The problem rests with Johnson. I think he's going to wait out Auburn and that could be after the other top guys on the board have made a decision. Seeing as he's #1 that would mean that the staff would have to decide whether to turn those kids away to wait on Johnson. I would hope they'd take the kid that wants in if it's Barrett, Bateman or Mitch but with Les I'm never sure. I personally would be slighty pissed off if we turn away any of the other 3 to wait on Johnson. Huge mistake if that happened. Johnson speaking so highly of us after his visit makes it even more plausible to happen. Our staff at times can get to focused on 1 kid and get played while turning away others. Hopefully the staff figures out whether Johnson is holding out for Auburn and takes an aggressive stance with the others.
Imo Bateman and Barrett/Johnson(don't care that he's listed as a pro style, he's not) are the top guys. If we land Barrett or Johnson 1st then the pickings are slim for a pro style to couple with them. It would likely be someone like a Conner Feist type kid. If we landed a Bateman or Mitch 1st(my prefernce is to get the pro style 1st) then the options for the 2nd spot are much better and more with the guys we already know like Kincaide,McCarley etc. I also don't see 2 of Bateman,Barrett,Johnson,Mitch or Cody Thomas in the class though honestly i can envision a scenario where Mitch or Thomas would agree to commit with another of the others in but it's not likely.
Also think our staff is going to have to make a decision before they want with a couple of these kids. Barrett is close to commiting depending on his OSU visit. We and OSU are the top 2 choices and I don't see him getting through April before commiting but May at the latest. Bateman is likely to commit by early summer so if we want him we'll have to push now. Mitch likely jumps at either LSU or Bama if they give a commitable offer before camp. The problem rests with Johnson. I think he's going to wait out Auburn and that could be after the other top guys on the board have made a decision. Seeing as he's #1 that would mean that the staff would have to decide whether to turn those kids away to wait on Johnson. I would hope they'd take the kid that wants in if it's Barrett, Bateman or Mitch but with Les I'm never sure. I personally would be slighty pissed off if we turn away any of the other 3 to wait on Johnson. Huge mistake if that happened. Johnson speaking so highly of us after his visit makes it even more plausible to happen. Our staff at times can get to focused on 1 kid and get played while turning away others. Hopefully the staff figures out whether Johnson is holding out for Auburn and takes an aggressive stance with the others.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 2:42 pm to lsufanva
to me the most likely scenario is we do an INFORMAL PACKAGE DEAL where massington commits and then goes after dallas area guy in barrett, coupled with myles and manning from the dallas area. I don't think we could turn down barrett to wait on any qb in this class. seems as though we have an opportunity to PACKAGE together a bunch of dallas area top end guys. all of these guys are takes separately but getting one or two could start an avalanche.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 2:43 pm to lsufanva
Besides the supposed high ceiling he has, Johnson doesn't impress me anymore than Barrett or Kincade do. I say just move on from Johnson, especially with him saying LSU is even with Auburn. He will string his recruitment along in hopes of an Auburn offer (which I think he will get).
While I don't have a problem with Liggins, we don't want to go into the last week without a solid QB commit. I know Kiel hurt us in that regard but it will be easier if we have 1-2 committed by the time the season starts up. It is a very fast domino effect with QBs committing so you better be able to put your domino in line or else you will be grasping at scraps
While I don't have a problem with Liggins, we don't want to go into the last week without a solid QB commit. I know Kiel hurt us in that regard but it will be easier if we have 1-2 committed by the time the season starts up. It is a very fast domino effect with QBs committing so you better be able to put your domino in line or else you will be grasping at scraps
Posted on 3/29/12 at 6:52 pm to GeauxAggie972
As usual, we agree. I don't think we'd turn down Barrett or Bateman if they wanted to commit. That would be insane. QBs aren't like other positions like you said. Once they start falling they go fast. Situations like Kiel are not the norm. As we later found out, he's got issues. Usually I'd be okay with waiting out the preferred kid but Johnson is the wrong one to wait on. Even if we do wait him out and get a commit, he's gone if Auburn offers. Just not smart recruiting imo particularly putting him at the #1 spot on the board. Recruiting isn't all about evaluations. A lot of the time it's about weighing risk/reward in the availablilty of the prospect. It would be like holding back all DT/DE offers to chase Nkemdiche. Just not smart business. Hopefully the staff treats Johnson and QB like any other position in this instance and have the board stacked with multiple guys on the take side. Honestly I'd take Mitch if he wanted to commit right now. Better to have one in the bank than the wish of one that isn't. Imo there should be 4 kids on the take board as of now. Johnson, Barrett, Bateman and Mitch. Cody Thomas would be if not for baseball. I want no parts of that unless he's the 2nd guy at the position.
As far as the numbers, they'll work out. Our problem is the 85 but that usually doesn't mean much trouble at the end. It's much easier to open up spots under the 85 than it appears to be.
QB-2
RB/FB-1
WR-4(granted that Diarse plays wr. I think we'll get Leslie and sincerely hope we offer Massington and wrap him up)
TE-2
OL-3
DE-3
DT-3
LB-2
CB-3
S-2
That's 25 and we have 26 available spots in case we add another S/OL/RB/K
I have always thought we would take less than 25 but the pure amount of offers and kids we seem to be pushing points to taking a full class or at the least hoping to.
As far as the numbers, they'll work out. Our problem is the 85 but that usually doesn't mean much trouble at the end. It's much easier to open up spots under the 85 than it appears to be.
QB-2
RB/FB-1
WR-4(granted that Diarse plays wr. I think we'll get Leslie and sincerely hope we offer Massington and wrap him up)
TE-2
OL-3
DE-3
DT-3
LB-2
CB-3
S-2
That's 25 and we have 26 available spots in case we add another S/OL/RB/K
I have always thought we would take less than 25 but the pure amount of offers and kids we seem to be pushing points to taking a full class or at the least hoping to.
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