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Stringer & Ludwig
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:01 pm
I posted during the Arkansas game that Ludwig should start before Stringer. As usual I got a strong emotional response and some facts quoted that weren't really fact.
Don't get me wrong. Both players have faults and both players have had good games and bad games. But the facts are that Eddie has the better shooting percentage, 40.4 vs Stringer's 35.3 whereas I was told they both had the same percentage. Even their three point percentage is not that different. Stringer has hit 32.6 on threes and Eddie 29.4.
I also said in my earlier post that at least Eddie could rebound. The comeback was that it was only 2 per game. What they didn't say was that Stringer is also at a little over 2 a game. Stringer 2.1 and Ludwig 2.4. But when you start talking about a stat that is per game you have to take into account minutes played. Ludwig has been getting 11.7 minutes per game and Stringer 31.7 which is tops on the team. So it is possible that if Eddie had Stringer's minutes he would have 6 or 7 rebounds per game.
I like both players and wish they both were playing better. I just don't like the unfairness of Eddie getting jumped on for every bad thing he does (or even just being on the court) and not enough praise for the good things he does.
For instance Eddie is not the quickest player and his man got around him in the last game a couple of times. But so did Hickey's and he is the quickest player on the court almost every game.
So let's support ALL the team and not blame everything on a guy who only averages 11.7 minutes a game.
Don't get me wrong. Both players have faults and both players have had good games and bad games. But the facts are that Eddie has the better shooting percentage, 40.4 vs Stringer's 35.3 whereas I was told they both had the same percentage. Even their three point percentage is not that different. Stringer has hit 32.6 on threes and Eddie 29.4.
I also said in my earlier post that at least Eddie could rebound. The comeback was that it was only 2 per game. What they didn't say was that Stringer is also at a little over 2 a game. Stringer 2.1 and Ludwig 2.4. But when you start talking about a stat that is per game you have to take into account minutes played. Ludwig has been getting 11.7 minutes per game and Stringer 31.7 which is tops on the team. So it is possible that if Eddie had Stringer's minutes he would have 6 or 7 rebounds per game.
I like both players and wish they both were playing better. I just don't like the unfairness of Eddie getting jumped on for every bad thing he does (or even just being on the court) and not enough praise for the good things he does.
For instance Eddie is not the quickest player and his man got around him in the last game a couple of times. But so did Hickey's and he is the quickest player on the court almost every game.
So let's support ALL the team and not blame everything on a guy who only averages 11.7 minutes a game.
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:04 pm to Tom Bronco
I think it should be based on matchups.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:10 pm to Tom Bronco
Except for the last game Ludwig has done virtually nothing in SEC play.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:12 pm to Tom Bronco
What is Eddie's shooting percentage when jacking up random prayers from half court? I bet he hasn't made any this season 
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:15 pm to TheShwenz
Stringer has not been much better lately.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:22 pm to Sherman Klump
The fact we are even discussing Ludwig should tell you where this program is.
Stringer should come off the bench and try to be a team player.
Stringer should come off the bench and try to be a team player.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:33 pm to Tom Bronco
quote:
I posted during the Arkansas game that Ludwig should start before Stringer. As usual I got a strong emotional response and some facts quoted that weren't really fact. Don't get me wrong. Both players have faults and both players have had good games and bad games. But the facts are that Eddie has the better shooting percentage, 40.4 vs Stringer's 35.3 whereas I was told they both had the same percentage. Even their three point percentage is not that different. Stringer has hit 32.6 on threes and Eddie 29.4. I also said in my earlier post that at least Eddie could rebound. The comeback was that it was only 2 per game. What they didn't say was that Stringer is also at a little over 2 a game. Stringer 2.1 and Ludwig 2.4. But when you start talking about a stat that is per game you have to take into account minutes played. Ludwig has been getting 11.7 minutes per game and Stringer 31.7 which is tops on the team. So it is possible that if Eddie had Stringer's minutes he would have 6 or 7 rebounds per game. I like both players and wish they both were playing better. I just don't like the unfairness of Eddie getting jumped on for every bad thing he does (or even just being on the court) and not enough praise for the good things he does. For instance Eddie is not the quickest player and his man got around him in the last game a couple of times. But so did Hickey's and he is the quickest player on the court almost every game. So let's support ALL the team and not blame everything on a guy who only averages 11.7 minutes a game.
MF'n this. I've been trying to defend Ludwig on this board for the past month. Thanks for making my point for me.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:33 pm to jr33
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The fact we are even discussing Ludwig should tell you where this program is.
Role players will always have a place in college basketball, regardless of success or the supposed talent level of the team. I am glad Eddie is on the team and don't begrudge him his minutes. He played well on Saturday and we could have lost without his contributions.
People like to harken back to the Golden Era of Dale Brown. Well, Eddie Ludwig wouldn't even be in the top 20 worst players that Dale Brown had. Brown regularly had role players logging substantial minutes, many of which were significantly worse players than Eddie.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:34 pm to jr33
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Stringer should come off the bench and try to be a team player.
And replace him with who? Next year I agree he should come off the bench, but not right now.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:40 pm to Tom Bronco
quote:
I posted during the Arkansas game that Ludwig should start before Stringer. As usual I got a strong emotional response and some facts quoted that weren't really fact.
Don't get me wrong. Both players have faults and both players have had good games and bad games. But the facts are that Eddie has the better shooting percentage, 40.4 vs Stringer's 35.3 whereas I was told they both had the same percentage. Even their three point percentage is not that different. Stringer has hit 32.6 on threes and Eddie 29.4.
I also said in my earlier post that at least Eddie could rebound. The comeback was that it was only 2 per game. What they didn't say was that Stringer is also at a little over 2 a game. Stringer 2.1 and Ludwig 2.4. But when you start talking about a stat that is per game you have to take into account minutes played. Ludwig has been getting 11.7 minutes per game and Stringer 31.7 which is tops on the team. So it is possible that if Eddie had Stringer's minutes he would have 6 or 7 rebounds per game.
I like both players and wish they both were playing better. I just don't like the unfairness of Eddie getting jumped on for every bad thing he does (or even just being on the court) and not enough praise for the good things he does.
For instance Eddie is not the quickest player and his man got around him in the last game a couple of times. But so did Hickey's and he is the quickest player on the court almost every game.
So let's support ALL the team and not blame everything on a guy who only averages 11.7 minutes a game.
Based on most of this... Bass should play more than Hickey too. You can make stats look how you want them too most of the time.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:50 pm to Tom Bronco
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But the facts are that Eddie has the better shooting percentage, 40.4 vs Stringer's 35.3 whereas I was told they both had the same percentage. Even their three point percentage is not that different. Stringer has hit 32.6 on threes and Eddie 29.4.
They did have the same percentages going into the Arkansas game. Either way considering where most of Ludwig's shots come from(within 10ft) 40% from there is pretty much as bad as Stringer's 35%.
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I also said in my earlier post that at least Eddie could rebound. The comeback was that it was only 2 per game. What they didn't say was that Stringer is also at a little over 2 a game. Stringer 2.1 and Ludwig 2.4. But when you start talking about a stat that is per game you have to take into account minutes played. Ludwig has been getting 11.7 minutes per game and Stringer 31.7 which is tops on the team. So it is possible that if Eddie had Stringer's minutes he would have 6 or 7 rebounds per game.
A Forward who's a foot taller should have a better rebounding rate than a sub 6 foot guard who never goes inside the 3pt line. Still doesn't make him a good rebounder though.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:01 pm to Bubba Hotep
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I think it should be based on matchups.
I can't think of many matchups that favor two guards under 5'10", though.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:04 pm to Tigerfan7218
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And replace him with who? Next year I agree he should come off the bench, but not right now.
Replace him with Turner or Isaac. Let Ludwig and Warren play some 3. I'm really trying hard not to dump on Stringer, but he should not lead us in minutes played.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:06 pm to saintsfan22
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A Forward who's a foot taller should have a better rebounding rate than a sub 6 foot guard who never goes inside the 3pt line. Still doesn't make him a good rebounder though.
That's kind of the point. If you don't shoot worth a damn, you need to be able to handle the ball, rebound, or viciously defend. Stringer is as good as you can expect for a guy his size guarding twos, but he will always be at a disadvantage.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:08 pm to Bubba Hotep
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I think it should be based on matchups.
+1. Although I like the post and agree that Ludwig gets unfairly criticized often. He was a guy I was not that excited about when he first came to LSU, but I've really enjoyed watching him play the last three years. He is a very smart player and a good role guy for LSU.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 6:16 pm to Jester
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Stringer is as good as you can expect for a guy his size guarding twos, but he will always be at a disadvantage.
And Ludwig's lack of athleticism will always be a disadvantage in SEC play. They're both liabilities on D most of the time but Stringer has potential to do something on the offensive end which Ludwig doesn't.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 7:34 pm to saintsfan22
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but Stringer has potential to do something on the offensive end which Ludwig doesn't.
What? Half-court shot with 12 minutes to go and 30 seconds on the shot clock? Unless he is shooting lights out, he really doesn't provide much. He does have sick handles....
Posted on 2/6/12 at 7:36 pm to emmanuellewis
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Although I like the post and agree that Ludwig gets unfairly criticized often. He was a guy I was not that excited about when he first came to LSU, but I've really enjoyed watching him play the last three years. He is a very smart player and a good role guy for LSU.
I hated on him hard, but he seems to have made major improvements this offseason. By no means a star, but he's about as solid as anyone on our roster outside of Hickey, JOB, and Hamilton this year.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 7:41 pm to Jester
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Let Ludwig and Warren play some 3
neither one of these guys can guard the opponent's 3.
that won't work.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 8:34 pm to Tom Bronco
Ludwig is a solid, and by solid I mean really average, role player who is a nice 4 minute a half guy. Dude is SO unathletic. He got 6 points simply off Hickey dishing it to him, and made a 3 that hit every part of the rim. Arkansas started making a comeback middle second half because Ludwig's man beat him on probably 5 straight possessions that led to a score. Stringer is a liability on defense somewhat, but he gives you a threat on offense. Eddie hasn't done anything all season and now he's supposed to start...
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