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PAC 12 is an easier road to the BCSNCG than the old PAC 10...

Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:07 am
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:07 am
I think next season for USC might just bear this theory out. USC had been playing every team in conference and half of those games were road games. Add Notre Dame and a couple of other OOC games (some impressive, others not so much) and it made for a rather difficult schedule, especially the PAC road games. This season's schedule doesn't have the dates set, but the opponents are. Here it is:
9/1/12 Hawaii
9/8/12 @Syracuse
TBD :
Arizona State
Cal
Colorado
Oregon
TBD:
@ Arizona
@ Stanford
@ Washington
@ ucla
11/24/12 Notre Dame
11/30/12 PAC 12 Championship Game

All of those games are winnable, and the team USC fields next season will be capable of running the table, barring key injuries or other unforeseen pitfalls.
Posted by TigerMan327
Elsewhere
Member since Feb 2011
5166 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:10 am to
Oregon will be the only good team you play, but then again... Yall did get blown out by a terrible ASU team so idk.

USC has a pretty good shot of making it to the BCS next year. Winning it... not so much
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37334 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:11 am to
USC will drop at least 2 games next year and won't make the Rose Bowl, IMO.

I think they are the their best team in the country today, but the hype around Barkley will prove to be a shite-show and Lane Kiffin will find a way to frick them to tears.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:17 am to
lol sucks for SC that they have to play the 3 toughest teams from the other division, sadly Michigan has the same issue
This post was edited on 12/24/11 at 9:18 am
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:23 am to
The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.

That said, now USC has to beat a Top 5 team twice - Pac 12 North (Oregon) to make the BCS title game.
This post was edited on 12/24/11 at 9:24 am
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22800 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:40 am to
The Big 12 was the strongest conference this year in the computers and played a round robin.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47633 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 10:36 am to
someone had to win those games though...
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13136 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 10:48 am to
It wasn't a true round robin. Old PAC 10 schools played each of the other teams in the conference.

Big 12 teams dodge each other here and there.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22800 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 10:53 am to
So the 10 Big 12 teams did not play 9 conference games this season?
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45568 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:02 am to
quote:

The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.


The Big East plays a round robin and the Big12 does now, too.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45568 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:03 am to
Not to mention, USC made the NCG twice and Oregon just last season
Posted by Kid Charlemagne
Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Dec 2010
1709 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:20 am to
Even though SC is returning the majority of their starters and Barkley, Oregon is returning a good bit too. I still have the utmost confidence that we can beat them in LA. Don't get me wrong, it'll be difficult for sure. With that being said, I still think we can take them.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:46 am to
quote:

The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.


This is so wrong, I don't even know where to start. There "5 extra losses" also resulted in "5 extra wins". It in no way hurt them. Their playing an "extra BCS conference team" HELPED them in the computers, especially Sagarin which always seemed to boost the pac10.

The Pac 10 suffered for 2 reasons: (1) they didn't have a conference championship game. The SEC and Big 12 always had another top 10 team on their schedule at the end of the season. and (2) The pac 10 just sucked OOC as a whole. It wasn't uncommon for them to go 17-13 OOC with losses to mid-majors and FCS schools.
Posted by salford227
Denham Springs, LA
Member since Dec 2005
1160 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:19 pm to
I would rather play Oregon 4 times than Alabama 2 times.
Posted by paperstreet
Member since Feb 2011
7434 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

@ Washington

LOSS
Posted by Louie T
htx
Member since Dec 2006
36317 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.
You couldn't blow Pac12 or put down the SEC anymore than you currently do. It's not humanly possible.
Posted by Xenophon
Aspen
Member since Feb 2006
40923 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

9/1/12 Hawaii
9/8/12 @Syracuse
TBD :
Arizona State
Cal
Colorado
Oregon
TBD:
@ Arizona
@ Stanford
@ Washington
@ ucla
11/24/12 Notre Dame
11/30/12 PAC 12 Championship Game


arent you missing a PAC12 game somewhere? i thought you guys still played 9 conference games.
Posted by noladan
new orleans
Member since Nov 2003
3802 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

You couldn't blow Pac12 or put down the SEC anymore than you currently do. It's not humanly possible.

No doubt.
His PAC 10 homerism is only outdone by his hatred of the SEC.
Posted by Xenophon
Aspen
Member since Feb 2006
40923 posts
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:46 pm to
quote:


It wasn't a true round robin. Old PAC 10 schools played each of the other teams in the conference.


PAC12 teams played the same amount of conference games this year as they have in the past, 9. So nothing changed for them other than dodging two teams.

quote:


Big 12 teams dodge each other here and there.

Big12 teams played a true round robin this year
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13136 posts
Posted on 12/26/11 at 2:52 am to
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This is so wrong, I don't even know where to start. There "5 extra losses" also resulted in "5 extra wins". It in no way hurt them. Their playing an "extra BCS conference team" HELPED them in the computers, especially Sagarin which always seemed to boost the pac10. The Pac 10 suffered for 2 reasons: (1) they didn't have a conference championship game. The SEC and Big 12 always had another top 10 team on their schedule at the end of the season. and (2) The pac 10 just sucked OOC as a whole. It wasn't uncommon for them to go 17-13 OOC with losses to mid-majors and FCS schools.
I think the real difficulty lies in forgoing a weaker opponent (FCS type or WAC/Sunbelt) in lieu of another conference game. I overlooked the Big 12 composition this last season, because as I was reminded they DID in fact play a true round robin (and were rewarded by the computers for doing so) but this fact reinforces my point: Playing a "true round robin" schedule with no CCG (because you can't do both) makes it more difficult to reach the BCSCG. The fact that oSu had to play Iowa State on the road as opposed to Northern Iowa or San Jose State at home obviously hurt them. The bugabear factor (LSU has had this in the past with Arkansas and even KentuckY) with a team from your conference sucker punching you is overcome when you don't play a true round robin, because the better team in conference is bailed out by their appearance (provided they win) in the CCG. Without even looking up the statistics, I can tell you that the favorite almost ALWAYS wins the Conference Championship game. As you can see from this season's SEC Championship, they are largely superfluous in actually deciding a Champion, but they do make it easier (how much? you do the math) for a team to get in to the BCSCG. The SEC has provided the blueprint, and the PAC 12 has followed it along with the Big 10, but it has IMHO diluted the value of individual college football games by providing these conferences with "a mulligan" if you will.

It undercuts the mantra of CFB "traditionalists" who oppose a playoff system: Every game is a playoff game.

It isn't.
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