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PAC 12 is an easier road to the BCSNCG than the old PAC 10...
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:07 am
I think next season for USC might just bear this theory out. USC had been playing every team in conference and half of those games were road games. Add Notre Dame and a couple of other OOC games (some impressive, others not so much) and it made for a rather difficult schedule, especially the PAC road games. This season's schedule doesn't have the dates set, but the opponents are. Here it is:
9/1/12 Hawaii
9/8/12 @Syracuse
TBD :
Arizona State
Cal
Colorado
Oregon
TBD:
@ Arizona
@ Stanford
@ Washington
@ ucla
11/24/12 Notre Dame
11/30/12 PAC 12 Championship Game
All of those games are winnable, and the team USC fields next season will be capable of running the table, barring key injuries or other unforeseen pitfalls.
9/1/12 Hawaii
9/8/12 @Syracuse
TBD :
Arizona State
Cal
Colorado
Oregon
TBD:
@ Arizona
@ Stanford
@ Washington
@ ucla
11/24/12 Notre Dame
11/30/12 PAC 12 Championship Game
All of those games are winnable, and the team USC fields next season will be capable of running the table, barring key injuries or other unforeseen pitfalls.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:10 am to loweralabamatrojan
Oregon will be the only good team you play, but then again... Yall did get blown out by a terrible ASU team so idk.
USC has a pretty good shot of making it to the BCS next year. Winning it... not so much
USC has a pretty good shot of making it to the BCS next year. Winning it... not so much
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:11 am to loweralabamatrojan
USC will drop at least 2 games next year and won't make the Rose Bowl, IMO.
I think they are the their best team in the country today, but the hype around Barkley will prove to be a shite-show and Lane Kiffin will find a way to frick them to tears.
I think they are the their best team in the country today, but the hype around Barkley will prove to be a shite-show and Lane Kiffin will find a way to frick them to tears.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:17 am to TigerMan327
lol sucks for SC that they have to play the 3 toughest teams from the other division, sadly Michigan has the same issue
This post was edited on 12/24/11 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:23 am to loweralabamatrojan
The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.
That said, now USC has to beat a Top 5 team twice - Pac 12 North (Oregon) to make the BCS title game.
That said, now USC has to beat a Top 5 team twice - Pac 12 North (Oregon) to make the BCS title game.
This post was edited on 12/24/11 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/24/11 at 9:40 am to Zamoro10
The Big 12 was the strongest conference this year in the computers and played a round robin.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 10:36 am to Zamoro10
someone had to win those games though...
Posted on 12/24/11 at 10:48 am to Colonel Flagg
It wasn't a true round robin. Old PAC 10 schools played each of the other teams in the conference.
Big 12 teams dodge each other here and there.
Big 12 teams dodge each other here and there.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 10:53 am to loweralabamatrojan
So the 10 Big 12 teams did not play 9 conference games this season?
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:02 am to Zamoro10
quote:
The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.
The Big East plays a round robin and the Big12 does now, too.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:03 am to The Easter Bunny
Not to mention, USC made the NCG twice and Oregon just last season
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:20 am to loweralabamatrojan
Even though SC is returning the majority of their starters and Barkley, Oregon is returning a good bit too. I still have the utmost confidence that we can beat them in LA. Don't get me wrong, it'll be difficult for sure. With that being said, I still think we can take them.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 11:46 am to Zamoro10
quote:
The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.
This is so wrong, I don't even know where to start. There "5 extra losses" also resulted in "5 extra wins". It in no way hurt them. Their playing an "extra BCS conference team" HELPED them in the computers, especially Sagarin which always seemed to boost the pac10.
The Pac 10 suffered for 2 reasons: (1) they didn't have a conference championship game. The SEC and Big 12 always had another top 10 team on their schedule at the end of the season. and (2) The pac 10 just sucked OOC as a whole. It wasn't uncommon for them to go 17-13 OOC with losses to mid-majors and FCS schools.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:19 pm to lsumatt
I would rather play Oregon 4 times than Alabama 2 times.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:21 pm to loweralabamatrojan
quote:
@ Washington
LOSS
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:25 pm to Zamoro10
quote:You couldn't blow Pac12 or put down the SEC anymore than you currently do. It's not humanly possible.
The old Pac 10 was the worst for making it to the BCS...play everyone and decrease the computer score of the conference by mandating an extra loss for 5 teams compared to every other conference. It hurt the PAC 10 tremendously...and was frankly unfair...if everyone else wasn't going to play everyone, then the Pac shouldn't.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:42 pm to loweralabamatrojan
quote:
9/1/12 Hawaii
9/8/12 @Syracuse
TBD :
Arizona State
Cal
Colorado
Oregon
TBD:
@ Arizona
@ Stanford
@ Washington
@ ucla
11/24/12 Notre Dame
11/30/12 PAC 12 Championship Game
arent you missing a PAC12 game somewhere? i thought you guys still played 9 conference games.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:43 pm to Louie T
quote:
You couldn't blow Pac12 or put down the SEC anymore than you currently do. It's not humanly possible.
No doubt.
His PAC 10 homerism is only outdone by his hatred of the SEC.
Posted on 12/24/11 at 12:46 pm to loweralabamatrojan
quote:
It wasn't a true round robin. Old PAC 10 schools played each of the other teams in the conference.
PAC12 teams played the same amount of conference games this year as they have in the past, 9. So nothing changed for them other than dodging two teams.
quote:
Big 12 teams dodge each other here and there.
Big12 teams played a true round robin this year
Posted on 12/26/11 at 2:52 am to lsumatt
quote:I think the real difficulty lies in forgoing a weaker opponent (FCS type or WAC/Sunbelt) in lieu of another conference game. I overlooked the Big 12 composition this last season, because as I was reminded they DID in fact play a true round robin (and were rewarded by the computers for doing so) but this fact reinforces my point: Playing a "true round robin" schedule with no CCG (because you can't do both) makes it more difficult to reach the BCSCG. The fact that oSu had to play Iowa State on the road as opposed to Northern Iowa or San Jose State at home obviously hurt them. The bugabear factor (LSU has had this in the past with Arkansas and even KentuckY) with a team from your conference sucker punching you is overcome when you don't play a true round robin, because the better team in conference is bailed out by their appearance (provided they win) in the CCG. Without even looking up the statistics, I can tell you that the favorite almost ALWAYS wins the Conference Championship game. As you can see from this season's SEC Championship, they are largely superfluous in actually deciding a Champion, but they do make it easier (how much? you do the math) for a team to get in to the BCSCG. The SEC has provided the blueprint, and the PAC 12 has followed it along with the Big 10, but it has IMHO diluted the value of individual college football games by providing these conferences with "a mulligan" if you will.
This is so wrong, I don't even know where to start. There "5 extra losses" also resulted in "5 extra wins". It in no way hurt them. Their playing an "extra BCS conference team" HELPED them in the computers, especially Sagarin which always seemed to boost the pac10. The Pac 10 suffered for 2 reasons: (1) they didn't have a conference championship game. The SEC and Big 12 always had another top 10 team on their schedule at the end of the season. and (2) The pac 10 just sucked OOC as a whole. It wasn't uncommon for them to go 17-13 OOC with losses to mid-majors and FCS schools.
It undercuts the mantra of CFB "traditionalists" who oppose a playoff system: Every game is a playoff game.
It isn't.
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