Glock 19

I'd go Gen3, tried and tested


However, my glock 19 (gen3) would jam every 20 rnds or so until I hit the 400 rnd mark. She's been flawless since. I almost sent it back to glock to have them look at it. I haven't talked to or read about anyone else having such a problem though. Whatever was causing it is no longer an issue.

I'm assuming that you've fired one a few times, so if you like it I wouldn't steer you away. If you haven't fired one though, make sure to do so. I can't fricking stand Glocks because of their grips - they work for most, but not for me. I think that they're great firearms mechanically, but it pisses me off that I feel like a clubhanded Neanderthal shooting them.


I think I has Glock envy.

I'd make sure to shoot the XD(M) and the S&W M&P. I usually carry a Stoeger Cougar. It's ugly, primitive, and heavy but it's amazingly reliable and it's what I feel most comfortable with.

I like the G19s, but why not stick with the same manual of arms and go with a P30 or P2000? I love mine!

Very Good Gen IV Glock Review


More of the same.

Love my G19. Goes bang every time even when I beat the hell out of it.

I'd go gen 3. Gen 4's are still great guns, but there isn't enough of a difference between the two to make the price increase worth it.

But if you can find a Gen 4 for the price of a Gen 3 go for it.

Per the review above, the 03 is stiffer and better for carry loads. 04 is lighter and doesn't affect lighter practice loads, but gives a snappier recoil for carry loads.

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Per the review above, the 03 is stiffer and better for carry loads. 04 is lighter and doesn't affect lighter practice loads, but gives a snappier recoil for carry loads.

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I think you got slightly lost in terminology. The "reviewer" was referring to two versions of guide rods (with captured springs) that have been shipped with Gen 4 G-19's. The Gen 3 is not stiffer than the Gen 4 (irrespective of the guide rod).

The primary differences between the Gen 3 and the Gen 4 are :
* Different guide rod & recoil spring system. The first units had issues with 115 grain ammo (range ammo). The newer style guide rods (stamped "04") seem to have resolved this "issue."

* Changeable back strap inserts on frame.

* Slightly stiffer trigger pull (due to redesigned frame).

I have seen no difference in price between the Gen 3 and the Gen 4. Glock is still making both versions, and reportedly will continue for the next year or so. At some point the Gen 3's will no longer be made.

Personally, I would stick with the Gen 3. As noted above it's the "tried & true" version. Then again, I would never buy any new weapon (or new version of a weapon) for self defense until it has been out for at least a couple of years.

I'd love a P30, but after dropping 1100 on that damn HK45 (I shouldn't curse it, I love it dearly), I cant drop 800 on a P30. Have to spend a bit less. If I could get it, I totally would.

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I think you got slightly lost in terminology. The "reviewer" was referring to two versions of guide rods (with captured springs) that have been shipped with Gen 4 G-19's. The Gen 3 is not stiffer than the Gen 4 (irrespective of the guide rod).

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The rod is stamped in the Gen IV either 03 or 04. The 03 rods have stiffer springs. My 03 and 04 reference had nothing to do with a Gen III Glock, just the stamp. From the second link I posted:

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1. If your recoil spring is stamped 03, it is a stiffer spring. This spring allows full power duty ammo to recoil much softer and flatter, making it feel as if you were shooting light target loads out of a Gen3. Here's the trade off, Gen4s are hit miss with light practice ammo, some have cycling issues, some don't. For me, this was a non issue, I reload my ammo so I just bumped my powder charge a bit and I'm happy. For others, they spew a lot of hate because their gun has cycling issues with light/lower power loads. It's simple physics, and for some reason people refuse to acknowledge it, tighter recoil spring means it's more difficult to force the slide back, shooting lighter target loads (wwb, federal 115gr, etc) may not be strong enough to force the slide back every time. If your recoil spring is stamped 04, your gun will shoot the same as a gen3. You will lose the advantage of being able to shoot higher power loads with such a soft feel, but you will be able to feed practice ammo without problems.

On that note, your duty ammo is high power ammo and will have no issues cycling your Gen4

You need to understand this going in, otherwise you will be disappointed with your Gen4, then go register on another forum dedicated to glocks, and spend the rest of your days bashing the Gen4

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From the bold section I can see where the confusion might be coming from.