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Hypothetical question about YOUR school and realignment
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:49 pm
If ________ (insert your school) wasn't already in the SEC, would it be considered for admittance with the criteria being thrown around this board? Would it be left out in the cold (CUSA, Sunbelt)?
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Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:23 pm to bgtiger
No. My alma mater is UT-Arlington and we don't play football so we wouldn't be considered.
In fact I'm not sure how we got invited into the WAC in the first place (no football program since 1985 and no plans to bring it back, men's b-ball has ONE NCAA appearance in its history, women's b-ball has two NCAA appearances, baseball WAY DOWN from glory days of 1990's). The only rumor I heard was that WAC wanted a DFW-team and North Texas turned down the invite (which came from the highly reliable source TigerDroppings).
In fact I'm not sure how we got invited into the WAC in the first place (no football program since 1985 and no plans to bring it back, men's b-ball has ONE NCAA appearance in its history, women's b-ball has two NCAA appearances, baseball WAY DOWN from glory days of 1990's). The only rumor I heard was that WAC wanted a DFW-team and North Texas turned down the invite (which came from the highly reliable source TigerDroppings).
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:30 pm to bgtiger
LSU would be in. 
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:34 pm to bgtiger
Which criteria? I could talk to 1000 different people on this board and have 1000 different criteria for admittance. Care to provide some specifics?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:50 pm to 304eer
Yes, apparently the only real criteria is TV market. Maybe academic standing.
Im basing this off of a consensus of the speculation i've seen on this board.
Winning tradition, large filled stadiums, and sizable rabid fanbase doesn't seem to be of any concern.
Im basing this off of a consensus of the speculation i've seen on this board.
Winning tradition, large filled stadiums, and sizable rabid fanbase doesn't seem to be of any concern.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:51 pm to bgtiger
Nope. We wouldn't bring in any new market and all the bammers would be crying about recruiting.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:52 pm to spslayto
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LSU would be in.
Absolutely positive about that?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:56 pm to bgtiger
There's no way LSU wouldn't be in.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:00 pm to LSUfan007700
How does the market size compare to NC and Missouri?
We would be competing with them,presumably, for the fourteenth spot. Academics? How do they stack up?
We would be competing with them,presumably, for the fourteenth spot. Academics? How do they stack up?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:02 pm to bgtiger
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Yes, apparently the only real criteria is TV market. Maybe academic standing. Im basing this off of a consensus of the speculation i've seen on this board. Winning tradition, large filled stadiums, and sizable rabid fanbase doesn't seem to be of any concern.
Well if they actually look at TV ratings and not just the city you're in or near, then WVU qualifies. Add into that the fact that we're one of the few profit generating football programs in the country and sit #15 in merchandise sales and I think we fit in.
Academic standing is the problem. WVU is not traditionally viewed as a strong academic institution although we have some great programs. Not too mention our new president's 2020 plan to raise standards and greatly improve academics here in general
And whether SEC or not, WVU is not and should not be left out of all of this
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:03 pm to bgtiger
GT
not SEC criteria, but also not left out in the cold
not SEC criteria, but also not left out in the cold
Posted on 9/27/11 at 10:07 pm to bgtiger
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Yes, apparently the only real criteria is TV market. Maybe academic standing.
TCU is within the city limits of a 600k pop city (projected to 1.2 mill by 2030-2035) and in a metro area of 6.3 million people as of 2010. While the metroplex itself is very much a UT>OU>A&M>TCU area, Fort Worth is solidly behind the Frogs and metroplex tunes in in droves when the opponent is worthy. Despite popular opinion on this board, A&M will not deliver the market to the SEC to the degree desired. TCU can help with that immediately and will only increase it's market-share in DFW with the SEC brand. One of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country will start having local boys stay near home more often, rather than go play in the two-trick pony Big 12.
As far as academics, we're a top 100 school and rising, but we're held back by our focus on undergraduate education and professional school preparation (business school, medical school, law school, dental school, and veterinary school acceptance rates are all dramatically above the national average and the private school average). Of those graduate/professional schools, we only have a business school, which if I remember correctly broke into the top 20 for it's MBA program several years back before taking a hit for decreasing it's enrollment to preserve a low student:faculty ratio and to increase selectivity.
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Winning tradition, large filled stadiums, and sizable rabid fanbase doesn't seem to be of any concern.
Even though you've sarcastically discounted these, i want to point out that we're working on them. When we play a decent team it's a sellout, and our stadium will be 43K by next year (currently reduced due to renovation/piecework-demolition) and could be 50k plus 7-10k SRO by 2013. The rabid fanbase is growing, but being pretty bad since the early 60s up until 1998 means most of our fans have come on board in the past 13 years (including myself). Considering only 13 years of moderate success and 3 years of very big success and our TV ratings, we're doing well on these. Like I said, when we play a good team we pack the stadium with nearly all TCU fans (Utah and BYU fans don't exactly come en masse from across the country). Our record attendance occurred in 2009 with 7-8 times our enrollment in the stadium, with maybe 200 of them being Utah fans (50,300 total).
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 10:11 pm to bgtiger
Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee would all easily be in. The rest would all have to fight for their spots, but MSU and Vandy would not be invited under any circumstance. Both of those schools are in the SEC because......well....they just are.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 10:15 pm to 304eer
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Well if they actually look at TV ratings and not just the city you're in or near, then WVU qualifies.
Thursday night games competing against no other game does not count. And please don't try to convince me that Pittsburgh is part of the WVU market. I would welcome WVU but for no reason other than getting to 14.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:15 am to spslayto
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LSU would be in.
But LSU only brings in 4.5 million person sized market.
Any superconference should beg Rice to join. The Houston metro area has 6 million people, not to mention the whole state of Texas at 25 million. CBS would be all over that.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:29 am to Monticello
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And please don't try to convince me that Pittsburgh is part of the WVU market.
I understand where you're coming from, but unless you've been to Pittsburgh or even DC you really have no idea what markets WVU has. Even though every single game is televised locally in DC, I'll consider that a stretch. But Pittsburgh is fully covered as a WVU market.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:36 am to Monticello
We'd be mentioned in the debate, but we would likely have to fight our way in.
Certainly agree.
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Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee would all easily be in. The rest would all have to fight for their spots, but MSU and Vandy would not be invited under any circumstance. Both of those schools are in the SEC because......well....they just are.
Certainly agree.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 6:49 am to LightsOut10
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I understand where you're coming from, but unless you've been to Pittsburgh or even DC you really have no idea what markets WVU has. Even though every single game is televised locally in DC, I'll consider that a stretch. But Pittsburgh is fully covered as a WVU market.
I have friends in Pittsburgh and used to live in DC. There are more Texas fans in DC than there are WVU fans. No one "owns" the DC market. Maryland and UVA have a large presence, but DC for the most part is full of people from all over the country. And in Pittsburgh, WVU would be behind PSU, Pitt, Notre Dame, and the Steelers easily.
The bottom line is that unless WVU is ranked highly (and you rarely would be in the SEC), there is little to no national or even regional interest in WVU that would contribute more money to the SEC than WVU would take. If WVU gets an invite it is for no reason other than that we had to have a 14th team and we couldn't get anyone else.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 6:52 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 7:12 am to bgtiger
I would assume we could get into any conference(depending on that conferences feelings on location and travel costs).
Posted on 9/28/11 at 7:14 am to BuckeyeFan87
Well, yeah.
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