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Question About "The Help" For Those Who've Seen It...

Posted on 8/24/11 at 2:49 pm
Posted by BrockLanders
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/24/11 at 2:49 pm
Saw the above film last night, and I couldn't help but wonder about something...

All of the housewives, cracker ladies, whatever else you want to call them - had outside bathrooms for the help, since they were under the impression that they carried diseases, filth, etc.

Since they believed this - why did they allow the same people to kiss and hug their children, change their diapers, etc.??
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 8/24/11 at 2:53 pm to
I got the impression from the movie that the rationale of hygiene was purely a superficial one. The real reason to further the cause of separate bathrooms was to humiliate the help. The white women did it completely out of meanness and as a reactionary tantrum by which the whites were preemptively standing up to what they saw as the coming of the modern civil rights age.
Posted by eleventy
inner city
Member since Jun 2011
2056 posts
Posted on 8/24/11 at 3:06 pm to
They didn't give a damn about their kids.
Posted by Shreveporter
In the new nap pods
Member since Jan 2011
1337 posts
Posted on 8/24/11 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

I got the impression from the movie that the rationale of hygiene was purely a superficial one


This.

Obviously, if hygiene were any sort of real consideration, then allowing these women to clean the same toilets the family used would be just as potentially damaging, not to mention allowing them to prepare family meals, yet the bridge club was only too happy to chow down on sandwiches and pies that came out of the kitchen staffed by the help. It was just one more way to lord over them and continue to reinforce the racial divide.

Interestingly, there are some racial differences in disease prevalence (diabetes, hypertention, stomach cancer, cystic fibrosis, sickle cell, etc), but of course none of these can be prevented by the separation of toileting facilities... So, take that, Bryce Dallas Howard!
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30401 posts
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:27 pm to
I am an old guy, 52, who lived through some of these things. Not everybody had maids, much less separate bathrooms for them.

Unfortunately, I think the people that didn't have maids, the ones that may have been more truly segregated, believed the disease misinformation.

I can remember my parents making us wash vegetables from the grocery store before we ate them because a "negro" might have touched them.

I also freaked my grandmother out by drinking from the "colored" water fountain in the basement thrift shop of a department store in Natchez, MS. I either embarrassed her more than she had ever been embarrassed or she really thought I might die from drinking from it.

If you are younger and don't really have any idea what growing up in this type of environment was like, follow this link and read about the Klan murdering people in Natchez, Vidaila & Ferriday. Scroll to the bottom of this page on The Concordia Sentinel website and read each article in the order in which they were written.

I didn't know about all of this stuff as a kid but a lot of it doesn't surprise me. There were a lot of people who definitely felt threatened by the changes to their society.

As a kid you just wondered why other people were treated like they weren't really people at all.
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 8:29 pm
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19103 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

I didn't know about all of this stuff as a kid but a lot of it doesn't surprise me. There were a lot of people who definitely felt threatened by the changes to their society.


My family didn't feel threatened by the societal changes but many people had very irrational fears. I remember it well.
quote:

As a kid you just wondered why other people were treated like they weren't really people at all.

Absolutely....and not just when I was a kid. I still sometimes see it.
Posted by BayouBreaux
somewhere between right and wrong
Member since Oct 2007
204 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

the Klan murdering people in Natchez, Vidaila & Ferriday. Scroll to the bottom of this page on The Concordia Sentinel website and read each article in the order in which they were written.
If it wasn't for those stories, the Sentinel wouldn't have anything else to print. Week in and week out, they dedicate page after page to this.
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22501 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

All of the housewives, cracker ladies, whatever else you want to call them - had outside bathrooms for the help, since they were under the impression that they carried diseases, filth, etc.

Since they believed this - why did they allow the same people to kiss and hug their children, change their diapers, etc.??

I am white and 62, so I vividly remember segregation growing up as I did in New Orleans.

The prevailing belief in those days was that "it might rub off" (the Black color) if you as a white person even touched one of "them" and that if they used your bathroom or you used one that they did in public, you'd probably catch some terrible disease and die. It was sheer ignorance on the part of the White community, but it was stuff ingrained deep and hard to overcome. And this was the benign stuff, not like what the Klan and the White Citizens' Councils preached and did.

I can remember the "colored only" bathrooms and water fountains, and how there were some movie theaters that permitted them to sit in the balconies, but not all theaters did. I remember the signs on the backrests of the NOPSI buses that read "For Colored Patrons Only" and forced all Black riders to sit behind them. I remember the terror many whites felt when integration began and NOPSI buses took away the signs and Black people could sit wherever they chose (even next to a white person). I also remember the humiliation on the faces of those Black people bold enough to do that, when the White person would then immediately glare and pop up out of the seat and stand rather than sit beside a Black person. It was shameful, it was normal, it was life back in the 1950s and 1960s.

I remember as a kid my mom's amused horror once when we rode a NOPSI bus and I didn't understand the signs, and darted to those cool wide seats all the way in the back of the bus. She made me come back forward so I could sit in front of the signs.

As far as the movie goes, and why the Mississippi ladies allowed their maids to kiss and hug their precious children but not use their bathrooms... double standards when it suited their purposes, and it suited their purposes for somebody to do the grimy work of cleaning diapers and wiping snotty noses so they could play bridge and sip martinis to their hearts' content.

I'm not a liberal, but I am no racist, either. I simply believe that every person has his or her own worth, and that worth is not based on color or creed, but something deeper within.
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19103 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:53 pm to
When I was a child, I can remember my parents telling me about traveling through the "sundown towns" of northern Arkansas. In situations where they had to stay in a motel, and a black person happened to be with them, the black person had to stay in the car all night, with the car windows covered with newspapers. For many years in north Arkansas, there were many places like this. In southern Arkansas, where towns with black populations were much more common, there was much more acceptance toward blacks, though racism has no boundaries.

ETA: For whatever reason, many northern states had more "sundown towns" than southern states.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 9:31 am
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