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Posted on 1/20/11 at 8:47 pm
Posted by SpyBoy
New Orleans
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 8:47 pm
Before I start, let it be know that I not only am I young but rather in the dark about most financial matters, so be kind.

I am a first year high school teacher currently living with my parents while I save money to go to grad school next year. I have no student loan debt, no credit card debt, or any debt for that matter to attend to, so basically I'm at the pure income level for a year because I pay no rent and my expenses are very little.

I also have a joint account started by my grandmother many years ago that includes not only money she gives periodically as gifts but also some inheritance I received about 2 years ago.

So my question is: Now that I have more substantial savings than I ever have had, should I invest any of my money into some stocks or mutual funds, or should I wait it out in the 1% savings account to not risk it. (looking at the $30,000-$35,000 range altogether by the end of my employment in August)

If(when) I go to grad school, I will likely be receiving a fellowship and thus will receive not only free tuition but an ample stipend for my lifestyle, so I don't see there being immediate need for my savings to bail out any living expenses I may have.

What say you financial wizards?

My limited knowledge thinks I should invest a chunk because I won't need it now and because over a longer term there is less risk, but tell me if that's the wrong way of thinking about it.

Thanks in advance.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10599 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:05 pm to
I'll keep it simple, yes, invest it
Posted by Htown Tiger
Houston
Member since Sep 2005
2312 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:09 pm to
Yes, why not? Pick something relatively "safe". Its still better than it sitting there. Mutual funds, bonds, etc.

OT- Covington's my hometown. Did you grow up there, or just live there now?
Posted by SpyBoy
New Orleans
Member since May 2007
943 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:12 pm to
Thanks. any advice on particulars I might start looking at?
quote:

OT- Covington's my hometown. Did you grow up there, or just live there now?


Born and raised there. Went to St. Paul's. Teach there right now.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:16 pm to
I'd just say don't put ALL of it in something. You never know when you might need to take some out, in which case it might definitely be worse "than it just sitting there."
Posted by SpyBoy
New Orleans
Member since May 2007
943 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

I'd just say don't put ALL of it in something. You never know when you might need to take some out, in which case it might definitely be worse "than it just sitting there."


That's more along of what I was thinking. I don't want it to be an all or nothing thing, I'm not needing/wanting to get rich quick.
Posted by Htown Tiger
Houston
Member since Sep 2005
2312 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

Thanks. any advice on particulars I might start looking at?

I'd just start at somewhere like T Rowe Price or Vanguard and start looking into their funds. You can look at their performance histories and annual rate of returns and find one that meets your risk profile.
quote:

Born and raised there. Went to St. Paul's. Teach there right now.

Awesome. SPS grad myself. My brother just graduated from there as well in May.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:05 pm to
Others on this board have heard me beat this drum many times already and are probably tired of it, but I suggest you establish a Roth IRA and contribute as much as possible to it, right up to the annual limit if you can.

The Roth is not tax deductible like a traditional IRA, but you can withdraw your contributions (not your earnings) at any time without penalty if you need it. Meanwhile, any earnings you get are tax free. So this is slightly better than a regular checking/savings account.

Whatever account type you choose, you also have to choose what financial institution to use. I personally have used Schwab for 20 years and love them. There are other competitors that are perfectly good but I have no experience with them.

Finally, once you have the money in a particular kind of account (Roth, savings, checking, etc.) at a specific financial institution (Schwab, Fidelity, Bank of America, Bank of Bunkie), then you have to decide what to invest in.

Bear in mind that "the market" is extremely tough to beat even for those who try professionally for a living. You can do far worse than invest in a stock index fund, I do this myself. By doing that you are investing in a stock index, like the Dow Jones or S&P. The problem with most mutual funds is that they routinely don't do any better once fees are deducted.

And finally, study while you pile up savings. Don't be afraid to make mistakes, it's early in the game for you. Better to learn now than when you're 65.
Posted by lsufanintexas
Member since Sep 2006
5011 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 8:14 am to
I have no advice to give except to say: Use some of that money for hookers and cocaine.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10266 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 8:26 am to
quote:

The Roth is not tax deductible like a traditional IRA, but you can withdraw your contributions (not your earnings) at any time without penalty if you need it. Meanwhile, any earnings you get are tax free. So this is slightly better than a regular checking/savings account.


Do you know if this is on a per year basis, or lifetime total?

Ex. Over five years one contributes $20,000; are you allowed to take all that out in the 6th year and not pay any taxes on it, and just leave the growth in the account? (note: I don't see how this would ever really be beneficial, but in case of emergency or something.)
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26579 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 8:47 am to
You can take out the principal in a Roth IRA without being taxed. The interest you've accumulated over time is what is subject to tax if you take it out before retirement.
Posted by Dusty Bottoms
Guadalajara
Member since Nov 2006
931 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:49 am to
quote:

establish a Roth IRA and contribute as much as possible to it, right up to the annual limit if you can


Between now and April 15th, open a Roth IRA with $10,000 (2010 & 2011 contributions) and put the rest in a combination of a balanced fund or money market fund, depending upon your risk tolerance. Each following year, move $5,000 into the Roth IRA to fully fund it.

Vanguard is a great one-stop shop and has the lowest fee ratios in the industry. You can do everything online. Moving money to/from your checking acccount takes just a few mouse clicks.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166249 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:17 am to
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SpyBoy


Got a name of a small financial company in Mandeville if you're interested in working with a professional. I'm going through this now.
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 10:17 am
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45568 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:25 am to
Just suggested a Vanguard index fund to my sister to start her Roth
Posted by Dusty Bottoms
Guadalajara
Member since Nov 2006
931 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:49 am to
I have used them for nearly 10 years and couldn't be happier. My wife and I have our Roths, rollover IRA's, and most of our taxable investment accounts with them. It's great having everything in one place with the ability to move it between accounts and back to checking as needed. And with the automatic withdrawals from checking set up, our investments are just another monthly "bill", so we never miss the money.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112469 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:58 am to
Not trying to be rude because I don't know your circumstances (or that of your parents), but have you considered taking some of your money and moving out of your parents' house?
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166249 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:15 am to
quote:

Not trying to be rude because I don't know your circumstances (or that of your parents), but have you considered taking some of your money and moving out of your parents' house?



that wouldn't be financially wise.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2796 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:34 am to
You are in great financial shape for someone just out of school. If / when you go to grad school you will be making another good investment in yourself and future. I like Fozhizzle’s and Dusty Bottoms above advice. I use Fidelity and Vanguard and am happy with both. I would go with Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Mutual Fund to start off with. Vanguard just lowered their already low fees by reducing the account balance needed to qualify for their lowest fees.
Posted by tigerjjs
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
1238 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:59 pm to
Another recommendation for Vanguard here. I don't know much about money matters, but they make it easy and are reasonbly well priced. Pick one of their retirement funds and see how it does.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Over five years one contributes $20,000; are you allowed to take all that out in the 6th year and not pay any taxes on it, and just leave the growth in the account?


Yes, that's correct.

You're also right that it is better to leave the money in there if you can. You don't want to withdraw from either account but if you have to there's no difference other than some paperwork. You'll have to report a Roth withdrawal on your tax return but only to show that you didn't take out any investment gains along with it so that the IRS doesn't send you a bill.

But that's just paperwork. If the choice is between a Roth and savings account, clearly the Roth is better because gains are not taxed.

Regarding getting "emergency funds" some would consider a 401(k) but I'd advise against it for money you might need back later in a hurry. It's true that you can borrow money (not withdraw) from the account if you need it, and some people say this is just borrowing from yourself so who cares?

The problem is that you have to qualify for the loan even though you're borrowing from yourself, just like applying for a loan at the bank - if you need money in a hurry you might not be in a position to qualify (say if you lost your job). Not only that, but you repay the loan in after-tax funds rather than pre-tax. Not a good idea. 401(k)'s can be great for stashing money you do not expect to touch until 59 1/2, especially if you get a company match, but they are not for emergency funds.
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