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Why is academics even mentioned?
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:09 pm
I keep seeing arguments about the academics of the SEC keeping UT out. I would argue that the academics are on par with the Big12, although certainly it is lower than the Pac10 and Big10.
But why does it even matter? It's not like we are competing for the collegiate quiz bowl championship. There is another post with a link to a UT site that says it would be a bad move for A&M to come to the SEC because we don't have the same R&D dollars as the Big10. The R&D funds are not distributed throughout the conference. However, the television and bowl money is distributed, and the SEC is king in that area.
You could maybe argue that being in a conference with a lower overall academic performance could hurt a school's reputation, but it certainly hasn't affected Vanderbilt's reputation as a strong academic institution.
But why does it even matter? It's not like we are competing for the collegiate quiz bowl championship. There is another post with a link to a UT site that says it would be a bad move for A&M to come to the SEC because we don't have the same R&D dollars as the Big10. The R&D funds are not distributed throughout the conference. However, the television and bowl money is distributed, and the SEC is king in that area.
You could maybe argue that being in a conference with a lower overall academic performance could hurt a school's reputation, but it certainly hasn't affected Vanderbilt's reputation as a strong academic institution.
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Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:10 pm to RC
its code for we dont want to go 8-4, 9-3 every year
This post was edited on 6/10/10 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:12 pm to RC
because the different schools mandate different entrance requirements for their members. Schools like Texas wouldn't want to compete with SEC schools with lower entrance requirements for the same players, same conference.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:12 pm to RC
One of the big reasons Vandy sucks is because their academic requirements are so high. The opposite effect is true with schools with lower academic requirements. You don't want a school in your conference who accepts any athlete, regardless of grades. It gives them an advantage.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:14 pm to efrad
But you can have conference wide requirements. Wasn't there a recruit that ended going to Oklahoma because he didn't meet the SEC standards?
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Why is academics even mentioned?
because the different schools mandate different entrance requirements for their members. Schools like Texas wouldn't want to compete with SEC schools with lower entrance requirements for the same players, same conference.
Interesting idea, and certainly a good spin for Texas. However, UT will bend any rule necessary to get their player. So the academic argument won't fly there.
The reality is UT will go where the dollars are best overall. If that's the PAC-10, so be it. If it's the Big-10, OK.
UT in the Big 10? Talk about incongruous.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:21 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
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The opposite effect is true with schools with lower academic requirements
OM and State have the lowest academic standards, so nuh uh, we suck too
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:23 pm to Whereisomaha
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But you can have conference wide requirements
Yea, I dont know/understand this rule. Is there a different acceptance for kids on athletic schlorship set by the SEC? I think you have to have a 25 ACT to get into Tennessee. I dont think those gang bangers pulled that
This post was edited on 6/10/10 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:25 pm to RC
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I would argue that the academics are on par with the Big12,
No they are not. Big 12 had 7 AAU member universities while SEC has only 2.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:27 pm to RC
Texas doesn't want to join the SEC because they can't really bully the conference like they canthe Big 12 and could the new Pac-10 if they carried five schools with them. Academics is a cover story. It has always been a figleaf.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:28 pm to Baloo
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No they are not. Big 12 had 7 AAU member universities while SEC has only 2
Thats for research universities. Why dont you pull up the top 65 public schools and compare those numbers. SEC=Big 12
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:35 pm to RC
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:43 pm to TigerBite
Nice link. It looks to me that the SEC is very comparable to the Big12. Yes they have more AAU members but everything else seems to be a wash. As far as AAU, I think if you mentioned that to most people they would think of travel ball teams before academic prestige.
It still doesn't reinforce the argument that academic ranking even matters when discussing athletic conference alignment.
It still doesn't reinforce the argument that academic ranking even matters when discussing athletic conference alignment.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:48 pm to RC
i also dont see why number of studenst and tuition plays a role. What does that have to do with the quality of school. I do agree getting more research money is a plus. But is that money more than what they would profit from joining the SEC?
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:20 pm to Whereisomaha
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Thats for research universities. Why dont you pull up the top 65 public schools and compare those numbers. SEC=Big 12
UT considers itself a premiere research university and has a history with working with fellow AAU members within its conf. This would be hampered if it enters the SEC.
You can imagine how the profs are loving the idea of teaming up with the Cal system of schools.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:23 pm to RC
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Why is academics even mentioned?
A lot of pretentious people out there, even though 90% of public institutions are exactly the same.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:41 pm to Freauxzen
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A lot of pretentious people out there, even though 90% of public institutions are exactly the same.
Not at all true for graduate level which is perhaps the most important factor as far as academic prestige is concerned.
Even at undergraduate level GaTech, Berkley, UDub etc. (just to name a few) are more prestigious compared to LSU, Bama, Auburn
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:43 pm to ewdij
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Even at undergraduate level GaTech, Berkley, UDub etc. (just to name a few) are more prestigious compared to LSU, Bama, Auburn
yea, so? They arent in a conference that Texas may go to. Thats what the convo is about friend
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:43 pm to ewdij
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i also dont see why number of studenst and tuition plays a role. What does that have to do with the quality of school. I do agree getting more research money is a plus. But is that money more than what they would profit from joining the SEC?
Texas athletics is going to get pretty much similar money irrespective of where they go. Given that, their inclination towards joining academically more prestigious conference is understandable.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:44 pm to Whereisomaha
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Even at undergraduate level GaTech, Berkley, UDub etc. (just to name a few) are more prestigious compared to LSU, Bama, Auburn
yea, so? They arent in a conference that Texas may go to. Thats what the convo is about friend
My comment was specifically in reply to an earlier comment and has nothing to do with expansion
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