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re: Why is academics even mentioned?
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:45 pm to Baloo
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:45 pm to Baloo
Right, if Oklahoma State and Texas Tech are good enough for Texas, so are Arkansas, Mississippi State, and LSU. But they don't want to be in the SEC, especially if they bring 4 or 5 teams with them into another conference.
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Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:46 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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because the different schools mandate different entrance requirements for their members. Schools like Texas wouldn't want to compete with SEC schools with lower entrance requirements for the same players, same conference.
yep.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:47 pm to RC
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It still doesn't reinforce the argument that academic ranking even matters when discussing athletic conference alignment.
It does, in the following sense:
If Texas gets similar athletics money irrespective of the conference it goes to (which I think is the case) then academics of the conference can be thought of as a "tie-breaker"
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Texas athletics is going to get pretty much similar money irrespective of where they go
not true at all
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:47 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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because the different schools mandate different entrance requirements for their members. Schools like Texas wouldn't want to compete with SEC schools with lower entrance requirements for the same players, same conference.
wrong. These kids don't have to meet the same standards at Texas as a normal student. The only school that strictly adheres to their academic requirements to a higher degree is Notre Dame.
The entrance requirements in the Big 12 are generally easier than the SEC. See Phil Loadholt.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:49 pm to Whereisomaha
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Texas athletics is going to get pretty much similar money irrespective of where they go
not true at all
So you are saying coming to SEC will mean they get more money. Why do you say so? And if you are correct, how much more?
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:51 pm to Tiger Authority
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If Texas gets similar athletics money irrespective of the conference it goes to (which I think is the case) then academics of the conference can be thought of as a "tie-breaker"
I agree with you there. If Texas got the same money from athletics in any conference then it should go where the money in academics is. But that is not the case. The TV deal the SEC would have if we got Texas and A&M would be sick. Could you imagine Texas vs LSU, Bama, Florida, UGA, Arky, Tenn, & Auburn every year. Thats good TV
This post was edited on 6/10/10 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:53 pm to Whereisomaha
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So you are saying coming to SEC will mean they get more money. Why do you say so? And if you are correct, how much more?
because we already have the best TV contract. We are also closer in proximity, which will cut down cost on travel. How much more money? I do not know
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:55 pm to Whereisomaha
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I agree with you there. If Texas got the same money from athletics in any conference then it should go where the money in academics is. But that is not the case. The TV deal the SEC would have if we got Texas and A&M would be sick. Could you imagine Texas vs LSU, Bama, Florida, UGA, Arky, Tenn, & Auburn every year. Thats good TV
Sure, qualitatively speaking that is great TV (as good as it gets). But Pac 16 (proposed) covers 7 of the top twenty TV markets in USA. If SEC states had the market share like proposed Pac 16, UT would be lining up right now to join SEC
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:56 pm to Whereisomaha
Call me pretentious, but I'm proud of the academic prowess of the big10. And I would want any new member to support that. As somebody mentioned before, there are lots of academic ties between the big10 schools at least. Pretty much any big research project will involve Michigan for example, and their resources. I completely get why Texas wants to keep academics in the picture.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:00 pm to SprintFun
This has NOTHING to do with academics. Texas was perfectly fine being in an academically mediocre conference for the last ten years because they were the top dog in a top conference. But now that their sanctuary is disappearing and the power of the conference is waning, they are looking for the next best money grab for the foreseeable future. This has nothing to do with academics and I really believe that it's naive to think otherwise. They are placating to their university but this is all about money.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:05 pm to ewdij
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Even at undergraduate level GaTech, Berkley, UDub etc. (just to name a few) are more prestigious compared to LSU, Bama, Auburn
Prestige, sure. They have better name recognition. And there are some schools that rise above (hence the "90%"). But the vast majority of state run institutions are exactly the same. And it's ludicrous to think that that someone like Texas moving to the SEC would be such a harrowing blow their "Academic" reputation.
People can hold on to this idea of "academic excellence" all they want, and it did exist a long time ago, but currently it's mostly hot air.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:08 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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because the different schools mandate different entrance requirements for their members. Schools like Texas wouldn't want to compete with SEC schools with lower entrance requirements for the same players, same conference.
The Big 12 has lower entrance standards than the SEC.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:11 pm to Tiger Authority
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The only school that strictly adheres to their academic requirements to a higher degree is Notre Dame.
and Stanford...or at least higher standards.
This post was edited on 6/10/10 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:12 pm to Tiger Authority
You won't get an argument from me, but I think to say academics play not part is just as naive. Just because they previously were in a 'mediocre' academic conference before doesn't mean they don't want to upgrade. I think its just a convenient excuse to avoid the sec, for whatever reason if needed.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:12 pm to Tiger Authority
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Texas was perfectly fine being in an academically mediocre conference for the last ten years because they were the top dog in a top conference.
that is not true. The profs wanted to join the big 10 or pac 10 over the big 12. We might of been in the big 12, but they were not happy about it. This is a change for many of them to fix what they believed was a huge mistake in the 90's.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:13 pm to lynxcat
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and Standford...or at least higher standards.
And UCLA
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:13 pm to lynxcat
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But Pac 16 (proposed) covers 7 of the top twenty TV markets in USA.
And I can imagine that the big 10 offer would be simliar if they end up adding rutgers and mizzo. But more people watch college sports, especially football stretching from Texas to Florida. Thats why we currently have the largest contract even though we have Nola and ATL, while the pac 10 has LA, Seattle, San Fran, Vegas, Portland, etc.
This post was edited on 6/10/10 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:14 pm to Freauxzen
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Prestige, sure. They have better name recognition. And there are some schools that rise above (hence the "90%"). But the vast majority of state run institutions are exactly the same. And it's ludicrous to think that that someone like Texas moving to the SEC would be such a harrowing blow their "Academic" reputation.
People can hold on to this idea of "academic excellence" all they want, and it did exist a long time ago, but currently it's mostly hot air.
I agree that the academic prowess of the Big 10 and the lack of it in the SEC is being blown way out of proportion and I don't think it will inevitably be a deciding factor.
However, Texas has many of the best (private or public) grad programs in the entire country. I know off the top of my head they are a top 20 law school and have the #1 accounting Ph D program.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:16 pm to CoonassatTEXAS
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that is not true. The profs wanted to join the big 10 or pac 10 over the big 12. We might of been in the big 12, but they were not happy about it. This is a change for many of them to fix what they believed was a huge mistake in the 90
First, the professors play NO role in this. They may placate to them in an effort to act concerned, but that has no bearing on the reason. Texas would not have left the Big 12 EVER had the recent events in the North not occurred. They would have rolled out their television network, kept the title game in Dallas, and keep everything basically at the discretion of UT.
If they were really serious about it, which is naive to believe, they wouldn't have been so content in the current state of the Big 12 pre Nebraska and Colorado.
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