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Just Re-Watched Georgia Game
Posted on 10/29/08 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 10/29/08 at 11:56 pm
Sober this time.
I usually lurk around here but if there were ever a time I need to Rant......it will be now.
The secondary was pretty pathetic.........it wasn't all the time.......but when it was.....it was VERY clear and VERY bad.
I thought Rahim Alem was a frickin beast and the D line actually played pretty well.
Play calling overall was ok.....but I felt like we really kinda stubbed our toes coming out in the 2nd half. Lee missing passes and the line playing a little sub-par to start. What's frustrating to watch is ALL the chances we had at being absolutely in this game.......but never capitalize. Btw- Our blitzes are so weak and obvious and we rarely ever hit them with the full throttle surprise blitz that knocks them on their asses. It was picked up well by Georgia......I will give that to them.
Georgia isn't much better than LSU........but their secondary didn't break when it had potential to and Stafford just picked up our consistent and obvious blitzes. It was a weird game to watch again because I'm just so not used to seeing the Defense play this bad. I think Lee is going to be really good. But next year. This year we should be comfortable in allowing him to have his mistakes and learn from them. He's going to be good though.
I usually lurk around here but if there were ever a time I need to Rant......it will be now.
The secondary was pretty pathetic.........it wasn't all the time.......but when it was.....it was VERY clear and VERY bad.
I thought Rahim Alem was a frickin beast and the D line actually played pretty well.
Play calling overall was ok.....but I felt like we really kinda stubbed our toes coming out in the 2nd half. Lee missing passes and the line playing a little sub-par to start. What's frustrating to watch is ALL the chances we had at being absolutely in this game.......but never capitalize. Btw- Our blitzes are so weak and obvious and we rarely ever hit them with the full throttle surprise blitz that knocks them on their asses. It was picked up well by Georgia......I will give that to them.
Georgia isn't much better than LSU........but their secondary didn't break when it had potential to and Stafford just picked up our consistent and obvious blitzes. It was a weird game to watch again because I'm just so not used to seeing the Defense play this bad. I think Lee is going to be really good. But next year. This year we should be comfortable in allowing him to have his mistakes and learn from them. He's going to be good though.
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Posted on 10/29/08 at 11:58 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
When I watched it on my computer I noticed that every time LSU had some big play on offense they would have a penalty on the very next play, or a turnover. Every time.
Each time the offense got moving after a clutch defensive stop the offense would have a drive killer via penalty or turnovers.
And then the defense would get UGA into 3rd downs and give up a huge pass play or insanely long run, it was just ridiculous.
Every time LSU was doing well they themselves killed all their momentum.
Each time the offense got moving after a clutch defensive stop the offense would have a drive killer via penalty or turnovers.
And then the defense would get UGA into 3rd downs and give up a huge pass play or insanely long run, it was just ridiculous.
Every time LSU was doing well they themselves killed all their momentum.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 12:05 am to ATLienTiger
I agree. Lots of shooting themselves in the foot.......and what would be manageable 3rd and 4 turns into 3rd and 14 or more. When Hatch came in......same thing.......played well then penalties. It's really frustrating to see it. And I really can't tell if the players have the wrong play in or are they confused or just worse than their opponents. Coleman lays some licks but his blitzes are sometimes pushed off and he gets a little too bumped coming in. We're not that far off........but man this secondary just seemed so confused.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 12:08 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
Les said it: mental mistakes. We have lots of green players who just need a little time to get seasoned. Once they finish simmering, our Tigers will be monsters.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 1:32 am to Woodreaux
I agree. Beautifully executed fake punt. Team never gave up. Peterson (cb) is surely a player. Go Tigers.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 1:57 am to km
I agree with everything you said.
For anyone to say we lost this game because of poor coaching or co-defensive coordinators is ignorant. That might have had some factor but the bottom line is that the players are not executing the game plan.
For anyone to say we lost this game because of poor coaching or co-defensive coordinators is ignorant. That might have had some factor but the bottom line is that the players are not executing the game plan.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 2:24 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
I'm glad someone does this. I watched the CST replay on Sunday, and then watched the CBS broadcast right after that.
When you watch the game that way, you see so many mistakes by the players on the field.
Scheme really wasn't the problem, it was guys getting sucked up at the line of scrimmage, trying to jump a route, getting hung up by the ref. Everyone wants to jump Les arse when he says it's lack of executing and not play call but he's right on def.
Same for the offense, Lee just made some bad plays. It's not all his fault, but when the best the off. can do is throw the ball down field 12 yards you're pretty limited in what you can call. Dickson weak hold blew out that KW run, Lee stares down the receivers or throws off his back foot while jumping in the air. That's on the players. When they do their job, they were hard to stop.
Just take another look at the tape, and then see if it's scheme. LSU got smoked when they blitzed b/c someone would fall down, or the safety would jump the wrong route instead of staying home.
It's aggravating, but a learning process to some degree.
What's more painful is seeing beckwith or taylor make the mistakes.
When you watch the game that way, you see so many mistakes by the players on the field.
Scheme really wasn't the problem, it was guys getting sucked up at the line of scrimmage, trying to jump a route, getting hung up by the ref. Everyone wants to jump Les arse when he says it's lack of executing and not play call but he's right on def.
Same for the offense, Lee just made some bad plays. It's not all his fault, but when the best the off. can do is throw the ball down field 12 yards you're pretty limited in what you can call. Dickson weak hold blew out that KW run, Lee stares down the receivers or throws off his back foot while jumping in the air. That's on the players. When they do their job, they were hard to stop.
Just take another look at the tape, and then see if it's scheme. LSU got smoked when they blitzed b/c someone would fall down, or the safety would jump the wrong route instead of staying home.
It's aggravating, but a learning process to some degree.
What's more painful is seeing beckwith or taylor make the mistakes.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 3:28 am to Sports2
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What's more painful is seeing beckwith or taylor make the mistakes.
that is bad
I can deal with mistakes from players with little experience or whatever but when your a senior like those guys are, you have no excuses for playing like they have
Posted on 10/30/08 at 3:47 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
Excuses are like a-holes, everybody's got one. Well, explain this...if it's a learning process, we sure have some VERY SLOW learners in the secondary....Beckwith and Taylor have had over three years to "get it"! Either they are not very smart or the coaches are wanting!!!!!
Posted on 10/30/08 at 4:09 am to Sports2
quote:Depends on what you mean by "scheme".
Scheme really wasn't the problem, it was guys getting sucked up at the line of scrimmage, trying to jump a route, getting hung up by the ref. Everyone wants to jump Les arse when he says it's lack of executing and not play call but he's right on def.
Because either LSU's defense is talent poor, poorly disciplined, or the concept is bad. Two of the three relate to coaching; the third relates to recruiting. All tie into "scheme". Quality coaching will develop a scheme that puts its talent at maximal advantage. A quality coach will never force a scheme on talent incapable of carrying it out. Different "schemes" can be equally effective for different teams. A four-man rush, zone-coverage defensive scheme can work, but only if the players fit the scheme and are taught how to make it work. An aggressive man-to-man blitzing scheme can work, but only if the players fit the scheme and are COACHED TO MAKE IT WORK.
One thing is certain, if the "scheme" allows an SEC QB to consistently sit in the pocket 5-6 seconds before making an unrushed throw, we better have the most talented, fundamentally sound secondary in NCAA football. We don't. The line is not generating pressure, linebackers are the most ineffective in the NCAA in blitz pkgs, and our secondary continues to have major coverage breakdowns. Seems like that lies squarely at the feet of both Mallory and BDP. Whether or not it's attributable to "scheme" or execution or both, it is ATTRIBUTABLE 100% TO COACHING.
.... and then there is the issue of game-prep. When Gary Danielson is pointing out UGA's offensive tendencies prior to the snap, and LSU defensively seems oblivious to the same, that is not the players fault. IT IS A COACHING ISSUE.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 7:52 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
Coaches also need to work with Lee on looking over the field to find the best option to throw to. Appears to go to primary receiver, even when others are more wide open.
Could be what he is being coached to do because of his inexperience, but just an observation.
Could be what he is being coached to do because of his inexperience, but just an observation.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 7:54 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
on offense, georgia was not stopping us running the ball .. at times i felt like throwing it killed the momentum on a few drives ..
Posted on 10/30/08 at 8:02 am to TigahRag
The scheme talk Les is pushing is apparently showing merit. Sure there is blame to Malveto but these kids need to be accountable on some level. One thin Saban's defenses excel at is discipline and staying with assignments at all costs. This approach worked for us and it is working for Bama.
I have a feeling Les has begun getting this point across ot our defense........nothing coaches by example like an arse whipping in your own house.
I have a feeling Les has begun getting this point across ot our defense........nothing coaches by example like an arse whipping in your own house.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 8:06 am to TigahRag
Rag, I was just about to say the same thing. Crowton is pretty good, but sometimes I wonder what he's thinking. Especially knowing that you have a Fr QB who's been prone to the turnover.
One example. Late in the game, we were moving the ball with Hatch, mostly running. Then we try a bootleg and end up getting a 20 yd int grounding call. We were gashing them pretty good with the run at that point. Hell, if he would've handed the ball off to KW instead of faking it, we would have been inside the 15-10 yd line, IMO.
That was just one example, but it happened a good bit. Another similar example was the 1st down throw late in the 2nd Q that Lee threw the pick. Yes, it was a horrible throw. But, why not keep running the ball.
One example. Late in the game, we were moving the ball with Hatch, mostly running. Then we try a bootleg and end up getting a 20 yd int grounding call. We were gashing them pretty good with the run at that point. Hell, if he would've handed the ball off to KW instead of faking it, we would have been inside the 15-10 yd line, IMO.
That was just one example, but it happened a good bit. Another similar example was the 1st down throw late in the 2nd Q that Lee threw the pick. Yes, it was a horrible throw. But, why not keep running the ball.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 8:09 am to CharlesLSU
well, from here on in, it can't get any worse on the defensive side of the ball .. with the exception of alabama, the rest of our schedule is easily winnable and none really have passing games that scare me .. i also don't think john parker wilson holds a candle to tim tebow or matthew stafford .. i.e. i just don't think bama can do to us on offense what those two did ... plus, this coaching staff knows it really needs a signature win this season and hasn't gotten one yet ... beating nick and fricking up his NC season would be it ...
hell, you go 10-2 and play a really good big 12 team in the cotton bowl (the last one to ever be played at the old stadium) and the season is a success considering everything ..
hell, you go 10-2 and play a really good big 12 team in the cotton bowl (the last one to ever be played at the old stadium) and the season is a success considering everything ..
Posted on 10/30/08 at 8:12 am to ROUSTER
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Rag, I was just about to say the same thing. Crowton is pretty good, but sometimes I wonder what he's thinking. Especially knowing that you have a Fr QB who's been prone to the turnover.
it's almost at times like he's trying to impose his will ... i love the guy and loved his la tech teams .. but it's almost as if he has moments where he thinks running the football is too parochial .. on lee's second INT, we're ramming the ball down georgia's throat up the middle, then all of sudden, BOOM .. pass play .. drive over, georgia gets the FG .. we were actually driving to take the lead at that point .. coulda changed the complexion of the game ..
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One example. Late in the game, we were moving the ball with Hatch, mostly running. Then we try a bootleg and end up getting a 20 yd int grounding call
that was pretty much the door slammer for us there and the bad thing is if hatch takes one more step, he's out of the tackle box ..
Posted on 10/30/08 at 10:20 am to TigahRag
I think he was out of the tackle box, problem was he didn't get the ball back to the LOS.
It appeared his arm got hit as he through, but not sure the rule on that.
Sadly, KW might have scored had they handed the ball to him.
Especially in the 4th Q. KW appeared to have fresh legs and was really looking good.
It appeared his arm got hit as he through, but not sure the rule on that.
Sadly, KW might have scored had they handed the ball to him.
Especially in the 4th Q. KW appeared to have fresh legs and was really looking good.
Posted on 10/30/08 at 10:23 am to ROUSTER
To everyone who bravely watched this game more than once... you're better men/women than I. 
Posted on 10/30/08 at 10:31 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
The two biggest plays in my opinion (other than the pick 6's), were the 3rd and 10 blitz when Eugene was beaten for the TD and the first half interception when we were running the ball effectively and were only down three (about 4 minutes left in the half).
If we go into halftime tied or in the lead the game may be different. Still though, if we stop them on the 3rd and 10 in the third we get the ball back down 7. Once they scored on that play we were really behind the 8 ball the rest of the way.
ETA: In my opnion these were both very questionable play calls.
If we go into halftime tied or in the lead the game may be different. Still though, if we stop them on the 3rd and 10 in the third we get the ball back down 7. Once they scored on that play we were really behind the 8 ball the rest of the way.
ETA: In my opnion these were both very questionable play calls.
This post was edited on 10/30/08 at 10:37 am
Posted on 10/30/08 at 10:40 am to jrowla2
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For anyone to say we lost this game because of poor coaching or co-defensive coordinators is ignorant
Blitzes are easily recognizable. Coverages are easy to manipulate into creating the favorable matchup. Pressure on the QB is non-existent...by design. All scheme issues, all on the shoulders of Malveto.
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the bottom line is that the players are not executing the game plan.
Also true. How much because it's too complicated and how much because they don't believe in it? Or do we just suck at recruiting?
Player failures ARE coaching failures. The coach has one job...to get good performance from players.
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