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Who'd a Thunk - M&P Too Dangerous for Cops to Carry

Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:36 am
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:36 am
Public Service Announcement - pulling the trigger on a loaded firearm can cause it to discharge.

Maybe the folks who carry an M&P need to re-think their choicem ????

LINK

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This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 9:43 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:40 am to
I've been preaching this for years. So much naivety in the gun culture world. People misuse just about every product ever built, yet some segments of our society believe this can't happen with handguns. It's really hilarious.
Posted by smoked hog
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
1819 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:40 am to
Whole lot of stupid in that report
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:42 am to
quote:

The report, an advance copy of which was obtained by CNN, found that a sheriff's department training program for deputies converting to the new gun is inadequate.

"We conclude that the current training program is insufficient to overcome old habits learned on other handguns," the 52-page report states. "As a result, many deputies appear to be to undertrained for the weapon they are using."



I don't understand how training has to be different from one gun to the next. Keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire is a pretty universal theme. Sounds like someone is making excuses for nefarious reasons (probably CYA).
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:43 am to
This is just strange. We transitioned from the Beretta to the Glock with no issues
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:44 am to
Until a fringe off your coat tail gets in the trigger guard while you're holstering and BLAM

No way I'd ever carry a gun that has no manual safety or long heavy trigger.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 9:45 am
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Until a fringe off your coat tail gets in the trigger guard while you're holstering and BLAM


Holstering my Glock I always make sure its clear of obstructions ( jacket, shirt tail, etc). A finger over the trigger guard helps
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:

No way I'd ever carry a gun that has no safety or long heavy trigger.


This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 10:01 am
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:15 am to
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:19 am to
Not sure why anyone is surprised that police are grossly under trained to the point where it borders on dangerous. It's a huge disservice to police and the people around them.

I wonder if I will live to see the day that the money spent buying fun toys like armored personal carriers will be used to actually train our LEO's.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:27 am to
Until you mess up one time and BLAM

shite happens.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:43 am to
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Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89528 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:47 am to
So they dropped the 92 (which they adopted because they all watched Lethal Weapon and wanted to be Riggs) - and picked up the M&P.

Recall that story where Officer Dumbass shot a subject in the head, while trying to put the safety on a 92? I think that was in L.A., IIRC.

HEY a-hole - keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire and you'll probably be alright.

"No external safety" - that's a feature to me, not a flaw or defective design.

Mandatory:

"This is my safety right here, sir."

This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 10:49 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:51 am to
quote:

HEY a-hole - keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire and you'll probably be alright.

"No external safety" - that's a feature to me, not a flaw or defective design.

Mandatory:

"This is my safety right here, sir."
You (should) know better than this.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89528 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:55 am to
quote:

You (should) know better than this.


#TeamSig - no (ETA: manual - forgot I was dealing with firearm Nazis) safety (mostly - the SA do).

#TeamGlock - no (ETA: manual - forgot I was dealing with firearm Nazis) safety.

Any idea how many agencies/officers carry those weapons chambered - every single day - without incident?

Now - I haven't jumped on the M&P bandwagon because there's been no compelling reason. Any evidence out there to suggest these weapons are inherently less safe than Glocks or Sigs (Sig classic do have a long DA trigger).

Remember all the warnings about not to (pardon the racism) "Mexican" carry the Glocks when they first came out? Well that's good advice for anybody carrying any pistol and any time.

If you choose Glock or M&P - that also means you have to choose, generally a holster for that specific weapon and be aware or your and the weapon's limitations.

Rule #1 means everyone goes home alive.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 11:18 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:06 am to
quote:

Any idea how many agencies/officers carry those weapons chambered - every single day - without incident?
Don't know-don't care. Totally irrelevant.

quote:

Now - I haven't jumped on the M&P bandwagon because there's been no compelling reason. Any evidence out there to suggest these weapons are inherently less safe than Glocks or Sigs (Sig classic do have a long DA trigger).
You are missing the point entirely.

You are acting like everybody is going to do like you do

Posted by 03GeeTee
Oklahomastan
Member since Oct 2010
3371 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:11 am to
Having a safety doesn't necessarily help either. What if they forget to put the safety on before holstering or if the safety gets disengaged by you're clothes. If that happens you have a very light single action trigger that could easily go off.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37523 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:15 am to
quote:

#TeamGlock - no safety.


Has three
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Has three
It has exactly none.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89528 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

You are acting like everybody is going to do like you do


No weapon can be hardened against carelessness, recklessness or violations of Rule #1. You can put 90 safeties on there.
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