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re: Whats up with all the love for 1911's?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:37 pm to faxis
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:37 pm to faxis
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What 1911 do you run? I have a .45 that I cc everyday, but it is an XDs.
My first 1911 was a Springfield TRP. I've recently picked up a Nighthawk GRP Recon which I use for home defense. I don't carry yet, just haven't felt the need or desire to yet. But if I did I'd probably look into another model (still a 1911, probably NHC or Wilson) to use as a carry weapon.
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Same here. I'm just spinning you up to make my point about the Church of 1911. Coming from a family full of marines, you came by it honestly.
And I'm just pointing out the heresy of the Church of Blocks.
As for the Marines, they're certainly responsible for most of my education, training, etc. but I've always just loved the 1911 platform. It's just a personal thing. Kind of like why some people prefer BMW rather than Mercedes (and they would be correct as well
). But my collection isn't limited to 1911s and there are quite a few other pistols that I either own or want to pick up. I have a Beretta 92F and HK USP 45 Tactical as well. Now if you really want to see some Marine influence on my taste in firearms then you're going to have to go into precision rifles. I've got a crush on the M40a1 and will own one before I die, probably from Texas Brigade Armory or GAP.
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:38 pm to Judge Smails
Actually it isn't. Lots of CCers around here are equipping themselves for full on combat with guns holding in excess of 15 rounds AND extra mags.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:39 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
was expecting this thread to be 2 pages tops, mostly of king ranch explaining to me... well shite
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:40 pm to Judge Smails
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Tom I've been on the sidelines for the last few pages but have been following along. Wouldn't it be reasonable to say that comparing a SEAL's choice in weaponry (or any member of a Special Forces outfit, elite fighting unit, SWAT, etc.) to an ordinary citizen looking for home defense is an apples to oranges comparison? Meaning, those guys are transported by Humvee's and tanks. I go to work in a Chevy pickup everyday.
My point in citing those examples was to refute the assertion that holding less rounds effectively neuters the 1911 as an effective combat pistol. So I brought up examples of professionals who face legit combat action and still choose to carry 1911's. Basically, if a 1911 can handle insurgents, many of whom are drugged up, then it can certainly handle any situation a civilian will run into. It all comes down to training and familiarity with your weapon of choice.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:41 pm to Wooly
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:41 pm to Wooly
It ain't over yet 
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:44 pm to Nodust
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Whats up with all the love for 1911's?
It ain't over yet
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:46 pm to Tom288
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:49 pm to Nodust
I like the use of socom units in this argument. I think it's funny that it's generalized that they all want 1911s. Have you seen the marsoc colt? It sucks donkey balls, and that's a fact. If you look at other spec op units around the world they all use glocks. If the US didn't have the stupid safety rule I'd bet our military would have switched already.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Actually it isn't. Lots of CCers around here are equipping themselves for full on combat with guns holding in excess of 15 rounds AND extra mags.
But you, as a wheelgun man, only need 6.
I don't carry extra mags on me. I'd be curious to see how many OBer's carry extra mags on them.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:49 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
You are correct, my good gentleman!
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:52 pm to Tom288
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It all comes down to training and familiarity with your weapon of choice.
I agree. But because a "pro" uses a 1911 doesn't mean "john q" should. A sharpened pencil is a deadly weapon in the hands of a SEAL. In my hands it's likely to just turn into a pencil with broken lead.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:54 pm to Judge Smails
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I'd be curious to see how many OBer's carry extra mags on them.
We have to have a minimum of 25 rounds on our person at all times. Then the number increases if we are going to be separated from the "mule" in our group.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:56 pm to Choirboy
I didn't realize how rough things had gotten in NELA. But I have been gone for 7 years now. 
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:57 pm to Judge Smails
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I agree. But because a "pro" uses a 1911 doesn't mean "john q" should. A sharpened pencil is a deadly weapon in the hands of a SEAL. In my hands it's likely to just turn into a pencil with broken lead.
You actually reinforce my point. Over and over it was, "Not using a pistol that holds more rounds is stupid," but I always countered that many of the examples he would, or could, cite are simply uncomfortable for me and I don't like shooting them. I'm more comfortable with a 1911 than a Glock so that's what I should use. Doesn't mean someone else won't be perfectly content with using a Glock.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:01 pm to kengel2
When my brother was in the seals they used glocks anyway. Nobody was going to dictate their weapons to them. They may not show up in the armory for inspection, but if you checked what they had going out, it was whatever they wanted. Generally a sidearm is kinda like a knife to them. Something you really don't want to have to ever get down to. You have a rifle for a reason.
And he's team glock all the way today. Works in the industry and goes to all the big shoots. Glocks are winning those lately btw. That guy they've got shooting for them is a fricking badass. Yes I know... impossible to believe a glock is beating 1911's in competition shooting. HERESY! BURN HIM!!!
And he's team glock all the way today. Works in the industry and goes to all the big shoots. Glocks are winning those lately btw. That guy they've got shooting for them is a fricking badass. Yes I know... impossible to believe a glock is beating 1911's in competition shooting. HERESY! BURN HIM!!!
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:05 pm to faxis
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When my brother was in the seals they used glocks anyway. Nobody was going to dictate their weapons to them.
I made that exact point when I pointed out how Force Recon Marines and other elite operators were choosing to use a 1911 and that it wasn't because of some general.
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And he's team glock all the way today. Works in the industry and goes to all the big shoots. Glocks are winning those lately btw. That guy they've got shooting for them is a fricking badass. Yes I know... impossible to believe a glock is beating 1911's in competition shooting. HERESY! BURN HIM!!!
I've never actually attacked Glocks, if I recall correctly, I'm only challenging the implied, or asserted, idea that 1911s are basically flintlock pistols compared to newer firearms. I think Glocks are great guns, they're just not for me. I don't enjoy using them, that doesn't mean I think they're a poor pistol.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:09 pm to Tom288
But you could see where an average shooter in a defense situation would like the reassurance that is provided by additional mag capacity? Note I've said nothing about a particular type of handgun here... we're strictly talking capacity.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:13 pm to Judge Smails
What is the biggest clip you can get for a glock versus a 1911?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:13 pm to Tom288
Understood.
I used to be the same way. But I got a glock anyway, put a hogue slip on grip on it, started shooting, and adapted. Because more ammo is better than less. There has never been a guy in a gunfight utter the words I WISH I HAD LESS AMMO IN THIS GUN!
Lets get real, part of the original appeal of the 1911 was the fact that it shot more rounds than a revolver.
I used to be the same way. But I got a glock anyway, put a hogue slip on grip on it, started shooting, and adapted. Because more ammo is better than less. There has never been a guy in a gunfight utter the words I WISH I HAD LESS AMMO IN THIS GUN!
Lets get real, part of the original appeal of the 1911 was the fact that it shot more rounds than a revolver.
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