- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Whats up with all the love for 1911's?
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:54 pm to kengel2
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:54 pm to kengel2
Or take one of those two or three shots and you've lost.
And you have to remember that these days, you have a very good chance of going up against someone with a glock clone because theres gazillions of them out there. So you're already at a disadvantage if you are using something with only 8 rounds.
And you have to remember that these days, you have a very good chance of going up against someone with a glock clone because theres gazillions of them out there. So you're already at a disadvantage if you are using something with only 8 rounds.
0
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:55 pm to faxis
quote:
You're hoping that 8 will be sufficient instead of planning for the worst case scenario.
No, I'm confident that 8 will either down the guy or allow me to get to a position where I can reload.
The only difference in your scenario, because after 8 or so rounds (assuming the guy doesn't go down in this case) we're both going to have to take cover anticipating return fire, during which time I reload a mag. Doesn't take that much time.
There has to be a break because any situation that allows you to make use of your extra rounds in one go also means you're fully open to return fire. In other words, you'll pop off as many as you can but after that initial burst you're going to have to look for cover same as me. It doesn't take long to reload a 1911. So all of this boils down to you having a few extra rounds behind cover, during which you would probably reload in spite of that, while I'm empty and reloading. Don't see much of a difference or a clear advantage for your double stacked polymer lovechild.
quote:
And you have to remember that these days, you have a very good chance of going up against someone with a glock clone because theres gazillions of them out there. So you're already at a disadvantage if you are using something with only 8 rounds.
Only if you miss.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:58 pm to Tom288
You're right back to wishful thinking.
That guy may be charging you to cover the ground and willing to take the hits. That happens regularly with drugged out felons.
And you have no answer for it other than hoping your shooting is good enough to hit the few spots that will actually flip him to off instantly.
That guy may be charging you to cover the ground and willing to take the hits. That happens regularly with drugged out felons.
And you have no answer for it other than hoping your shooting is good enough to hit the few spots that will actually flip him to off instantly.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:10 pm to faxis
Please. Over a century of service in real combat all over the world...I don't need wishful thinking. And if the guy isn't stopped by 5-8 230 gr. JHP then why should you expect a few extra rounds to make a difference on this drugged out felon?
It's amazing that we don't hear endless stories of the countless individuals who use a 1911 for their carry weapon being wiped out in gunfights.
It's only wishful thinking to an overinflated ego who thinks a few extra rounds will keep them safe.
quote:
And you have no answer for it other than hoping your shooting is good enough to hit the few spots that will actually flip him to off instantly.
It's amazing that we don't hear endless stories of the countless individuals who use a 1911 for their carry weapon being wiped out in gunfights.
It's only wishful thinking to an overinflated ego who thinks a few extra rounds will keep them safe.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:18 pm to Tom288
LOL Ok man. I've apparently offended the church of 1911 so I guess I'll get out before you go jihad on me.
For me, pistols are tools. My ego isn't tied up in it. I've got a lot of them and I love them all. I love the 1911 and would rather shoot it than practically any other semi auto. But when my life is on the line, I know for a fact where it is in the hierarchy of tools for the job and it's no longer at the top and it hasn't been for a couple of decades so I learned to adapt.
For you it may be the pinnacle of your training. For me it's not.
For me, pistols are tools. My ego isn't tied up in it. I've got a lot of them and I love them all. I love the 1911 and would rather shoot it than practically any other semi auto. But when my life is on the line, I know for a fact where it is in the hierarchy of tools for the job and it's no longer at the top and it hasn't been for a couple of decades so I learned to adapt.
For you it may be the pinnacle of your training. For me it's not.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:19 pm to faxis
You're not going to change anything by continuing to argue with him Faxis. He's dug in. This is America and he has that right. And since I don't have any responsibility for his life he can choose to defend himself with a rubber band gun for all I care. As for ME, I'm going to go back to what I learned when I learned to count.
(15 + 1) > (8 + 1)
I don't know anyone that has been in a life threatening gunfight in their lives. I know I haven't. But if I ever am, and it's in my home, then I'm going to have access to a HD shotgun and a non-1911 pistol. Not because I don't love a 1911, but because in an event like that I want margin for error. All the talk about putting holes in paper down at the local gun range is just talk - and talk's cheap.
(15 + 1) > (8 + 1)
I don't know anyone that has been in a life threatening gunfight in their lives. I know I haven't. But if I ever am, and it's in my home, then I'm going to have access to a HD shotgun and a non-1911 pistol. Not because I don't love a 1911, but because in an event like that I want margin for error. All the talk about putting holes in paper down at the local gun range is just talk - and talk's cheap.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:23 pm to Judge Smails
Not everyone is comfortable or enjoys shooting a Glock, no matter how many damn rounds it holds. Apparently I'm not going to change anything with you two by continuing to argue that point.
And no one's been talking about range time, much less equivocating it with a life threatening situation.
I never said a Glock isn't a good self-defense weapon, I'm arguing that it might not be the best choice for every shooter. That seems like it should be an obvious point, but I guess it isn't around here.
Did you not notice the multiple you blind bastard?
I'm not mad, I've enjoyed the debate. That's one of life's beauties...people don't have to agree with each other.
And no one's been talking about range time, much less equivocating it with a life threatening situation.
I never said a Glock isn't a good self-defense weapon, I'm arguing that it might not be the best choice for every shooter. That seems like it should be an obvious point, but I guess it isn't around here.
quote:
LOL Ok man. I've apparently offended the church of 1911 so I guess I'll get out before you go jihad on me.
Did you not notice the multiple
you blind bastard? I'm not mad, I've enjoyed the debate. That's one of life's beauties...people don't have to agree with each other.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:25 pm to faxis
Took several pages but I'm glad we found someone who would rather fight with 8 rounds rather than 9 or 10 or 11 or 12 or......................
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:27 pm to Choirboy
10+1
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:28 pm to Choirboy
quote:
Took several pages but I'm glad we found someone who would rather fight with 8 rounds rather than 9 or 10 or 11 or 12 or......................
Actually it would be 9 rounds, and if I want I could use an extended mag and up that to 11 rounds so thanks for that moot point.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:30 pm to Tom288
I don't think I said that a Glock (or any other polymer striker-fired pistol) is the perfect weapon (home defense, carry, etc). I've merely stated reasons why I made the choices I've made. In case you missed my post on page 2 or 3 of the thread I own several 1911's and thoroughly enjoy shooting them all. In fact, I think they outshoot a Glock (at least in my hands).
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:35 pm to Judge Smails
quote:
I don't think I said that a Glock (or any other polymer striker-fired pistol) is the perfect weapon (home defense, carry, etc). I've merely stated reasons why I made the choices I've made. In case you missed my post on page 2 or 3 of the thread I own several 1911's and thoroughly enjoy shooting them all. In fact, I think they outshoot a Glock (at least in my hands).
To echo that, I never said that the 1911 is the end all, be all ultimate carry, home defense weapon either. I'm just trying to argue against the notion that it's not suited for carry, self-defense, or home-defense. In the end, regardless of platform or capacity, safety comes down to the shooter and his familiarity with his weapon of choice. For some it will be a Glock, for others it will be a 1911. Call me a homer, but I disagree with the perspective that a Glock, or similar pistol, is obviously better than a 1911 regarding the aforementioned scenarios.
Not trying to have a bitchfest here, we can all just agree to disagree.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:40 pm to Tom288
No worries my man. Listening to differing opinions is a form of education IMO.
Oh, and I got rid of a LCP to carry a Sig P938 cuz it's much more accurate.
Oh, and I got rid of a LCP to carry a Sig P938 cuz it's much more accurate.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:42 pm to Choirboy
quote:
That reply was weak Tom.
If facts are weak then I don't know where else to turn.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:42 pm to Choirboy
I'm harassing Tom at this point but I could link a 100 round drum/mag for a Glock.... but I won't.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:43 pm to Tom288
quote:
if I want I could use an extended mag and up that to 11 rounds so thanks for that moot point.
Getting close to a Glock now
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:49 pm to Judge Smails
quote:
I'm harassing Tom at this point but I could link a 100 round drum/mag for a Glock.... but I won't.
quote:
Getting close to a Glock now
What have I ever done to you for you to hate me so!?
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:56 pm to Tom288
If I need more than 8 in a magazine, I'm in deep shite. 8 seems reasonable, I don't think additional rounds would be much of a benefit in any situation I would have need for those particular firearms.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
If I need more than 8 in a magazine, I'm in deep shite. 8 seems reasonable, I don't think additional rounds would be much of a benefit in any situation I would have use for those particular firearms.
Page 11 of 23
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News