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re: tree huggers trying to round up all the Roundup
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:24 pm to zatetic
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:24 pm to zatetic
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I didn't say poison bad, you have no brain. But it is insanity to think that poison has no negative effects. Tell you what, I'll pour you a glass of roundup any day and let you drink it while you are telling me the health benefits of roundup.
Wow, you need to put the greenie cool aid down for a minute and think for yourself. As said, poison is generally marked as something that is poisonous to humans but there are plenty of things that are poisonous to one species and not to another.
Vinegar will kill many plants for example, and I'll drink it. It's just not a possibility on a large scale like a farm.
Row cropping is not going anywhere for the foreseeable future. Sure hydroponics produces more food with less acreage, but it also requires a lot more human hours and money.
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:26 pm to X123F45
You have no idea what your talking about. Out produce 10 times the equivalent of farm land? That's not even possible.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:29 pm to X123F45
So even if you replace 10 to 1, you're gonna build a 250 acre greenhouse to replace my family's relatively small farm? K.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:45 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Lobbyist Claims Monsanto's Roundup Is Safe To Drink, Freaks Out When Offered A Glass
I suppose you've never looked into roundup much if you haven't heard the drink a glass of roundup... an oldie but still funny.
When was the last time anyone called theobromine, salt, or water poison? No one considers theobromine a poison. Yes I get a peanut can be poison to some... but I am not talking in scientific hypothetical of the fact you could kill yourself with anything. For all practical purposes no one is suffering any negative effects from theobromine. People are suffering all sorts of negative effects from Roundup, which was something designed to indiscriminately kill stuff. There is nothing out there that gets some benefit from roundup, other than super bugs that have adapted and receive a competitive advantage.
Roundup is designed to kill stuff, it does it very well, and there is a ridiculous amount used. Several countries consider US food poison and won't buy it. Quaker oats was kicked out of Taiwan a year ago or so because of glyphosate levels.
As far as others talking about row cropping and needing roundup... the comparison to using roundup and not using roundup isn't very much. I've forgotten the lost crop from not using Roundup but it was surprisingly small (not to say insignificant either though). This also isn't taking into consideration future medical costs or how much roundup is in your baby formula. This obviously concerns me and I don't want you people
to suffer any unnecessary negative consequences. Row cropping also has some pretty expensive tools itself in the tractors, combines, etc....
I get that if the alternative is death you could say a poison is good for you; that is what most blood thinners basically are (or at least used to be) as you pointed out. I do get your toxicity hypotheticals. I just think at this point it is obvious Roundup is used beyond an amount needing to wonder if it is close to tolerable.
I said what I wanted to say so I'm leaving this thread alone now
I suppose you've never looked into roundup much if you haven't heard the drink a glass of roundup... an oldie but still funny.
When was the last time anyone called theobromine, salt, or water poison? No one considers theobromine a poison. Yes I get a peanut can be poison to some... but I am not talking in scientific hypothetical of the fact you could kill yourself with anything. For all practical purposes no one is suffering any negative effects from theobromine. People are suffering all sorts of negative effects from Roundup, which was something designed to indiscriminately kill stuff. There is nothing out there that gets some benefit from roundup, other than super bugs that have adapted and receive a competitive advantage.
Roundup is designed to kill stuff, it does it very well, and there is a ridiculous amount used. Several countries consider US food poison and won't buy it. Quaker oats was kicked out of Taiwan a year ago or so because of glyphosate levels.
As far as others talking about row cropping and needing roundup... the comparison to using roundup and not using roundup isn't very much. I've forgotten the lost crop from not using Roundup but it was surprisingly small (not to say insignificant either though). This also isn't taking into consideration future medical costs or how much roundup is in your baby formula. This obviously concerns me and I don't want you people
to suffer any unnecessary negative consequences. Row cropping also has some pretty expensive tools itself in the tractors, combines, etc.... quote:
To simply say that something is a poison and anyone with a brain can see it will adversely effect their health is ridiculous generalization.
I get that if the alternative is death you could say a poison is good for you; that is what most blood thinners basically are (or at least used to be) as you pointed out. I do get your toxicity hypotheticals. I just think at this point it is obvious Roundup is used beyond an amount needing to wonder if it is close to tolerable.
I said what I wanted to say so I'm leaving this thread alone now
Posted on 6/27/17 at 4:24 pm to tigerinthebueche
Roundup Ready crops were awesome until certain weeds developed resistance.
2,4-D and dicamba resistant crops are awesome to control glyphosate resistant weeds until the herbicide drifts or volitizes on non-resistant varieties/crops.
2,4-D and dicamba resistant crops are awesome to control glyphosate resistant weeds until the herbicide drifts or volitizes on non-resistant varieties/crops.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 4:31 pm to zatetic
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When was the last time anyone called theobromine, salt, or water poison?
Funny you should ask, because both table salt and theobromine have a lower LD 50 than glyphosate. That's exactly the point. The word "poison" is arbitrary, something you've deflected twice now with hyperbole.
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For all practical purposes no one is suffering any negative effects from theobromine. People are suffering all sorts of negative effects from Roundup, which was something designed to indiscriminately kill stuff.
This is pure conjecture.
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Roundup is designed to kill stuff, it does it very well, and there is a ridiculous amount used. Several countries consider US food poison and won't buy it. Quaker oats was kicked out of Taiwan a year ago or so because of glyphosate levels.
Because they subscribe to the same fear mongering you apparently do. The big bad organic chemicals are not out to get you. They are what enable you to enjoy the standard of living that you do.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 4:51 pm to tigerinthebueche
I use roundup (sparingly and carefully) and understand that most food I eat has been influenced by glyphosate in some manner. However I find it concerning how many people brush off the notion that it may be harmful. "Knighting for glyphos". Given how much of it is used it should be carefully examined with extensive long-term studies that are hopefully not sponsored by the chem manus.
As far as all pesticides/herbicides I use them as sparingly as possible. Amazes me when ol baws find some pesticide that "kills every durn thing in the yard and continues to get em for the next 6 mo" and for some reason they think there's no chance it has a negative affect of them or their children. If that shite kills everything under the sun then isn't it pretty reasonable to assume that its probably not great for human health?
As far as all pesticides/herbicides I use them as sparingly as possible. Amazes me when ol baws find some pesticide that "kills every durn thing in the yard and continues to get em for the next 6 mo" and for some reason they think there's no chance it has a negative affect of them or their children. If that shite kills everything under the sun then isn't it pretty reasonable to assume that its probably not great for human health?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 4:53 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Well all I use Roundup for is to kill weeds. And not on crops. Just fencelines, ditches, etc. Fine, don't use it on food crops, but why try to get rid of it? (Which is the end goal of the movement against Glyphosphate, IMO). It works. Leave it alone.
Mix your Gly at recommended rate, and add crossbow to it at its recommened rate. It will kill everything on your fence.
I just sprayed 360 gallons of gly this weekend on my RR soybeans and corn.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 5:46 pm to Chuker
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As far as all pesticides/herbicides I use them as sparingly as possible. Amazes me when ol baws find some pesticide that "kills every durn thing in the yard and continues to get em for the next 6 mo" and for some reason they think there's no chance it has a negative affect of them or their children. If that shite kills everything under the sun then isn't it pretty reasonable to assume that its probably not great for human health?
This is kinda the point. I don't blame you for thinking it sounds reasonable, and not all herbicides are created equally, but just because something kills plants well doesn't inherently mean it's harmful to humans. It makes for good marketing and political ammo though, and exploits people's emotions and passing knowledge of chemistry and biology, usually to get them to buy something that doesn't contain this week's source of hysteria. It's no coincidence that many products now contain an "organic" or "green" option right next to them on the shelf... at a 30% markup. It's happening across a lot of industries over the years from household cleaners to "steroid free" chicken. "You know they raise those chickens in 7 weeks and they can't walk by the time they're slaughtered, you really want to eat that?"
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Table 1 demonstrates that herbicides often have higher LD 50 values than many commonly used or consumed products. Why is this? Why are chemicals that are so effective on plant species not equally harmful to humans? The reason is two-fold. First, herbicides target highly specific biological or biochemical processes within plants, such as photosyn - thesis and production of branch-chain amino acids. How - ever, mammals (humans included) do not photosynthesize or produce branch-chain amino acids. Therefore, herbicides that target photosynthesis or branch-chain amino acid production have no place to bind in our bodies and have very little impact. Secondly, since these herbicides do not bind in our bodies, they are often excreted in urine within 24 hours of the dose. This flushing of the herbicide does not allow concentrations to build up to toxic levels within the body. This in no way means that it is safe to intentionally ingest herbicides, but the fact is that our bodies are well equipped to safely dispose of accidental exposure to many common herbicides.
I don't have a dog in this hunt. Monsanto has never paid me a dividend check. If it's a concern to you then by all means buy organic or only eat vegetables you grow, I just think people see the word "chemical" and get nervous when they really shouldn't, or should at least research the issue themselves. There are lots of things out there that pose a greater risk to you and your family than glyphosate.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 5:59 pm to zatetic
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All roundup crops get sprayed again right before harvest.
False
Posted on 6/27/17 at 6:01 pm to gamecocks22
I prefer Gramoxone. I like to watch the weeds die fast
Posted on 6/27/17 at 6:34 pm to zatetic
Hydroponics is not feasible for large scale production. Perhaps after global nuclear war it will be.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:22 am to tigerinthebueche
I prefer to eat the animals that eat plants. Is there a tax on cow farts in Cali?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:44 am to Capt ST
See what the tree huggers fail to realize is with the sheer amount of people walking around, the only way to affordably feed them all is row crop and chemicals. You simply cannot support this population and lifestyle otherwise.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You're telling me it's not feasible to pay to air condition greenhouses?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:43 am to zatetic
quote:Not stuff. Plants. Are you a plant?
Roundup is designed to kill stuff
Paraquat is poison, right? Know how it works? Does your body engage in photosynthesis? Got any chlorophyll?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:55 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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See what the tree huggers fail to realize is with the sheer amount of people walking around, the only way to affordably feed them all is row crop and chemicals. You simply cannot support this population and lifestyle otherwise.
This is pretty much what it boils down to. Even if roundup is semi toxic, the affects are obviously not wide spread or we would be in the middle of a plague like epidemic.
There is simply no way to support this world we've built without some risks. Let's lower those risks the most we reasonably can, and move on.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:04 am to zatetic
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All roundup crops get sprayed again right before harvest. It is incredible how much pesticide is used.
Roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide. Don't try to persuade folks by spouting off selected sections of questionable research, while using these terms synonymously. You sound ignorant.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:07 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Not unless all these broke arse hippies want to start paying $60 for a bag of trail mix
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:12 am to tenfoe
quote:I mean, I get what you're saying, but all herbicides are pesticides.
Roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide
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